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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby Æren » 2011-08-27, 11:22

Stawrberry wrote:the Unilanger's holy grail - Colloquial Portuguese


Is it that good?

I used bulgarian version of Larousse's 40 leçons pour parler portugais four years ago.
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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby Stawrberry » 2011-08-27, 12:07

Æren wrote:
Stawrberry wrote:the Unilanger's holy grail - Colloquial Portuguese


Is it that good?

I used bulgarian version of Larousse's 40 leçons pour parler portugais four years ago.


I don't know, I've never used it. But it was pretty damn impossible to come across, hence the holy grail remark. :P

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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby sergiolopes » 2011-09-03, 20:44

Æren wrote:
Stawrberry wrote:the Unilanger's holy grail - Colloquial Portuguese


Is it that good?

It's not perfect and it does have some mistakes but, as far as I know, it's the best resource around. :)
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Postby Æren » 2011-11-11, 20:10

Alguém podia explicar-me a espressão "mãe/pai de primeira viagem".

Obrigado :)
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Postby Osias » 2011-11-11, 23:14

Uma pessoa que teve recentemente seu primeiro filho.

É um spin-off de "marinheiro de primeira viagem" e você pode a qualquer momento criar a sua própria versão, como "vendedor de pipoca de primeira viagem"
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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby JackFrost » 2012-05-16, 5:49

A general Portuguese question: someone asked me why em + o becomes no (m > n) and um + s > uns. I told him, denasalization and going back to Latin n.

But I can't answer this: -ção becomes -ções.

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Postby Psi-Lord » 2012-05-16, 20:35

I don’t know what triggered the process, but what I do remember is that the Vulgar Latin singular endings -anu, -ane, and -one converged, resulting in Portuguese -ão. However, in the plural, the final -s of -anus, -anes, and -ones blocked the process, resulting in -ãos, -ães, and -ões, respectively. That’s why knowing the etymology of a word ending in -ão helps guessing its plural correctly (although some such words may have more than one correct plural, and others may have changed to the more regular/common -ões in time).
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Postby JackFrost » 2012-05-16, 20:54

I'll forward him your reply. Thanks a lot. :)
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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby TeneReef » 2012-06-25, 15:31

Olá
does anyone know of an accurate Br.Pt - Pt.Pt contrastive dictionary?,
I have two of them (printed books), but they seem old...10 years or so...
In the meantime, many Brazilianisms have spread to Portugal (like fila ''line'' or curtir ''to like'')...So, is there something more up-to-date?

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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby Kaylee » 2012-07-03, 2:55

Hello everyone,

I am trying to learn Portugues (I am very, very interested in it), but I have no idea what to do or where to start. I am a complete beginner to this, too, if that helps.

I've rented a course called "Teach yourself Brazilian Portugues" but it won't be here for a while, and I'm not sure if its any good.

Any and call help is appreciated. Thanks for reading!

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Postby Osias » 2012-07-06, 13:11

bem-vindo!
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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby Luís » 2013-05-13, 9:04

蒿子秆儿 wrote:
Luís wrote:I wonder why most textbooks choose to teach so many things which seem to be only used in Beijing and/or Northern China. Shouldn't they aim for something more neutral? :?

For the same reason they teach lijbueta for the European Portuguese. :D


Not necessarily. Textbooks mostly use a rather vague definition of Standard European Portuguese, which is normally defined as "the educated speech of the region located between Lisbon and Coimbra". Many of the most distinctive features of the Portuguese spoken in Lisbon originated in the low classes and were not exactly seen as prestigious. Of course that has changed a lot over time and now you can see news anchors on TV using Lisbon pronunciation and vocabulary all the time, simply because of the city's importance in the country. But from what I've seen, most textbooks still aim for something a bit more neutral.
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Postby OldBoring » 2013-05-13, 14:35

Thanks, Luís.
I was thinking about features such as "eating vowels", ei pronounced a bit like "ai", /ʃs/ reduced as [ʃ], estar + a + infinite (while in some regions in Portugal they use estar + gerúndio), avoiding the use of você etc. that are usually taught to foreigners.

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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby Luís » 2013-05-13, 20:37

Yes, but some of those things you mention are not specific to Lisbon and many of them are actually standard language.

What I had in mind were things such as pronouncing "rio" and "riu" the same way or using the diphthong /ew/ in the word for thirteen or even the merging of [ʃs] into [ʃ], as you mention.

I don't think textbooks teach that kind of thing, but I could be wrong... :?
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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby TeneReef » 2013-05-13, 23:35

蒿子秆儿 wrote:Thanks, Luís.
I was thinking about features such as "eating vowels", ei pronounced a bit like "ai", /ʃs/ reduced as [ʃ], estar + a + infinite (while in some regions in Portugal they use estar + gerúndio), avoiding the use of você etc. that are usually taught to foreigners.


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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby OldBoring » 2013-05-13, 23:42

Eu não falu purtuguêx, eu falu brzilairu. :para:

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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby Luís » 2013-06-09, 23:29

Feliz Dia de Portugal, de Camões e das Comunidades Portuguesas! ;)

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Postby OldBoring » 2013-06-10, 0:03

Parabéns!

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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby vijayjohn » 2013-07-23, 4:25

Eu não falo português brasileiro, falo (um pouco de) português europeu.

Well, anyway, I guess I can "get by" in it, but I should quit kidding myself. I don't think I really speak Portuguese well at all :( I think I know a little, and otherwise just...Spanish. But I'll try to review/improve it! Maybe I'll even learn how to convince myself that I can speak brasileiro! :lol:

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Re: Português [Europeu] / Portuguese [European]

Postby Levike » 2013-07-31, 14:32

Is there a site where I can find every film
with Portuguese subtitles without signing in or downloading?
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