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Re: Dutch Discussion Group

Postby Car » 2018-08-18, 1:29

Axystos wrote:
Car wrote:Wow, Axystos, je bent terug? :partyhat:

Terug van weggeweest. Eens kijken hoe lang ik het volhoud. :)


:lol:

Ik heb een opname toegevoegd.

Beetje rare audiokwaliteit. Ik versta ook niet precies wat ze zegt.


Bedankt. Ja, dat is echt een probleem. Jammer.
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Re: Dutch Discussion Group

Postby Iván » 2018-09-09, 18:03

Hallo, kan iemand me zeggen wat de vrouw in deze video zegt: https://youtu.be/_bHdAU8P9tQ?t=4m46s

Ik heb haast met de ondertitels de video goed gevolgd, maar de vrouw kan ik niet zo goed verstaan...
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Re: Dutch Discussion Group

Postby Aurinĭa » 2018-09-09, 21:06

+ Ik wil ook een keer iets zeggen.
- Zeg maar.
+ En over wat gaat het?
- Ah, euhm. Gij wilt een vraag beantwoorden?
+ Ja, ik wil een vraag beantwoorden.
- 't Gaat eigenlijk over aambeien.
+ Oei, dat is niet goed, hè, als ge dat hebt. Dat doet pijn, hè. Maar dat doet echt verschrikkelijk pijn, hè. En dat jeukt voor dood.* Maar ik ga niet zeggen wat dat is. Dat is pijnlijk. (...) Naar school gaan, dan gaat ge dat weten. Naar school gaan.

* Dat jeukt verschrikkelijk.

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Re: Dutch Discussion Group

Postby Iván » 2018-09-11, 19:24

Dankjewel! Ik heb de video goed gevolgd met de transcriptie die Youtube biedt, maar was het een beetje moeilijk de vrouw te verstaan.
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How to become an advanced Dutch speaker as a native of German?

Postby SomehowGeekyPolyglot » 2018-11-10, 10:35

Not telling you anything new by mentioning the degree of mutual understanding between Dutch and German.
But being actively able to use it of course is something different than the mere ability to understand it.
So how to become an advanced Dutch speaker as a native of German?
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Re: Dutch Discussion Group

Postby kevin » 2018-11-10, 11:11

I would say knowing German helps you mostly in the beginning. You can get to an intermediate level in Dutch really fast. This was really helpful for myself because things like textbooks just don't motivate me a lot, and this allowed me to go straight to taking part in the discussions/games here, and reading interesting articles and books. Without much effort, this can take you quickly to a level where you have a good passive understanding of the most common topics, and can make yourself understood, though probably often not using perfectly correct or natural sounding language.

From there, it's the same as in every language: Expose yourself to the language, use it actively if you can, and pick up the details. I don't think the advantages of being a German native speaker are very relevant any more at this point.

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Re: Dutch Discussion Group

Postby SomehowGeekyPolyglot » 2018-11-11, 15:49

kevin wrote:I would say knowing German helps you mostly in the beginning. You can get to an intermediate level in Dutch really fast. This was really helpful for myself because things like textbooks just don't motivate me a lot, and this allowed me to go straight to taking part in the discussions/games here, and reading interesting articles and books. Without much effort, this can take you quickly to a level where you have a good passive understanding of the most common topics, and can make yourself understood, though probably often not using perfectly correct or natural sounding language.

From there, it's the same as in every language: Expose yourself to the language, use it actively if you can, and pick up the details. I don't think the advantages of being a German native speaker are very relevant any more at this point.


Now that was one perspective, and I do find many parallels to my own one.
But as for one thing in particular, we could differ :D. This is about the "... at this point" part in the end of your post that I quoted right now. To me, Dutch is something like the language I have been knowing since I was a baby or a very small child, it's just that I am not fully familiar with this particular flavor yet. But I could compare that one to the differences between Standard German and Bavarian.
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Re: Dutch Discussion Group

Postby kevin » 2018-11-11, 16:20

I don't know about you, but I can't speak other German dialects authentically. I can understand some of them quite well and make myself understood, but that's the first stage. Mastering the details is something that you would even need to do for other German dialects before you can speak them at an advanced level.

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Re: Dutch Discussion Group

Postby SomehowGeekyPolyglot » 2018-11-11, 16:43

kevin wrote:I don't know about you, but I can't speak other German dialects authentically. I can understand some of them quite well and make myself understood, but that's the first stage. Mastering the details is something that you would even need to do for other German dialects before you can speak them at an advanced level.


It could depend on what is meant by "authentically". Some people, possibly including SGP, too, would sometimes be able to speak other dialects in a next-to-native way when it is about basic conversations only.

(This is something different from knowing them at beginner's level when speaking as someone who hasn't got any heritage connection with them, while, in addition, it is also clear that he only does it for the purposes of tourism or something similar.

Like a, for example, Bavarian speaking like Hamburger Diggahs [can't translate "Diggah" to English...] just to sell more Bavarian Sweets to them for the purpose of the Maximum Money Making Effect only).

And sure, mastering the details can be even rather difficult for a great number of non-native flavors, dialects, and ... etc. :).
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Re: Dutch Discussion Group

Postby SomehowGeekyPolyglot » 2018-11-13, 13:53

How do you say this in Dutch?

"I understand most of what you say, but I currently cannot express myself that clearly yet"

"Someone is currently doing an in-depth comparison of Dutch and German" [not doing it myself, but asking because of the Sentence Construction Building Blocks and some Word Usage Related Topics]

"Are you also able to express many of your thoughts in German, even if you would definitely say that you couldn't do so, speaking of all what is on your mind?"
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