"Ne pas" before the verb.

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"Ne pas" before the verb.

Postby Bacon » 2013-04-09, 21:14

Hello, I'm not understanding a particular French sentence.

Attention à ne pas manger la banane par les deux bouts, c'est mauvais pour le régime. Les palmiers dans votre signe vous mettront du baume au cœur.

Shouldn't it be "ne manger pas" ?

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Re: "Ne pas" before the verb.

Postby JackFrost » 2013-04-09, 21:26

If it's in the infinitive, the ne...pas and other negation forms go before the verb, not with the verb in the middle.
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Re: "Ne pas" before the verb.

Postby Bacon » 2013-04-09, 21:31

JackFrost wrote:If it's in the infinitive, the ne...pas and other negation forms go before the verb, not with the verb in the middle.


I'll admit it, I'm the ignorant one. Please, may you be define an infinitive?

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Re: "Ne pas" before the verb.

Postby JackFrost » 2013-04-09, 21:53

It's the default form of the verbs you find in the dictionaries (with the -er, -ir-, -re endings). Once you conjugate it, the verb goes between ne...pas, etc. Like, ne pas manger (not to eat) vs ne mangez pas (do not eat). ^^;
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Re: "Ne pas" before the verb.

Postby Emandir » 2013-04-09, 22:53

JackFrost wrote:If it's in the infinitive, the ne...pas and other negation forms go before the verb, not with the verb in the middle.
Though "ne pas inf" is nowadays considered as correct, the original form was "ne inf pas/point" and André Gide, a century ago, was upsetted by people saying "ne pas inf"... Same thing happens with "personne ne verb plus" : people almost always say now "plus personne ne..."
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Re: "Ne pas" before the verb.

Postby JackFrost » 2013-04-10, 0:59

For a moment, I thought it was just a Latin thing, but then I just remembered it's just for the "ne" part. -.- At least I know the history behind it why it does that with the infinitives only. :P
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Re: "Ne pas" before the verb.

Postby Dingbats » 2013-04-10, 8:11

JackFrost wrote:At least I know the history behind it why it does that with the infinitives only. :P

Which is?

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Re: "Ne pas" before the verb.

Postby JackFrost » 2013-04-10, 17:23

The "ne manger pas" > "ne pas manger" change. I know it does that with some others, but they go before "ne" instead, which is a slightly different story (ex: "rien n'est parfait").
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Re: "Ne pas" before the verb.

Postby Dingbats » 2013-04-10, 21:56

JackFrost wrote:The "ne manger pas" > "ne pas manger" change.

Yes, but I thought you said you knew why it happened?


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