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Re: Modern Hebrew Study Group

Postby Golv » 2018-09-16, 18:08

n8an wrote:
Yup!

I wish they'd just be honest in saying that they don't speak 93.3 languages fluently. It's impressive enough to be able to recite basic speeches or improvise without adding the false claim of speaking them like a mother tongue. I think this guy is awesome, but his Hebrew is legit not great and the mispronunciation of a very, very, very common and simple word in "musag" proves that his Hebrew isn't anywhere near as good as he says it is.



Eh, I didn't feel as strongly about the exaggeration of his Hebrew skills as you.
It seems to me his comment on Hebrew feeling like a second mother tongue was probably motivated by his personal Jewish background and meant to convey his regular and long contact with it rather than his proficiency (he after all begins the video stating French is his most proficient language after English).

He does try to give an impression of spontaneity to what is obviously rehearsed speech, but I don't see him making any boasts anywhere else in the video, so I'd cut him some slack, especially if he prepared all the text himself without having any native go over it beforehand (as the mistakes make clear is the case)

Anyway, his accent is quite impressive and his voice sounds so familiar, but I can't remember for the life of me on what cartoon I heard this voice before, even though I have been on the lookout ever since I've watched this video for the first time.

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Re: Modern Hebrew Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-09-16, 21:57

Luís wrote:What's with all this Colloquial Hebrew bashing? :(

I think I'm mostly just frustrated because I see no way I could possibly complete all the exercises in one chapter of any Hebrew-language textbook without going nuts at this point. :P I think it's partly just because I'm not all that familiar with Hebrew script and it takes me forever to input it for a whole damn chapter's worth of exercises. I also really need to slow down when it comes to going through all the new vocabulary in this book. I'm starting to review new vocabulary from all the way back in the first dialogue now and trying to make sure I actually remember it this time in the hopes of helping myself feel less daunted.
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księżycowy wrote:That's why I like the Routledge textbook. It basically spells things in the unpointed form, unless it's too hard to guess the pronunciation.

Well, technically, this is also a Routledge textbook... :P

Indeed. But it's not The Routledge textbook.

I know and thought you might say that. :D
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Wow guys, you have quite an active community here. It almost make me want to study Hebrew. (But I probably won't, because you know that my heart is already taken. :whistle: )


Do it! Add Hebrew to your repertoire of Semitic languages :D

And add Persian to your repertoire of Iranian languages, voron! :doggy:

(Of course I know full well nothing will come of our pleas yet).

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Re: Modern Hebrew Study Group

Postby Antea » 2018-09-16, 22:16

vijayjohn wrote:I think I'm mostly just frustrated because I see no way I could possibly complete all the exercises in one chapter of any Hebrew-language textbook without going nuts at this point. :P I think it's partly just because I'm not all that familiar with Hebrew script


Welcome to the club 8-)

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Re: Modern Hebrew Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-09-16, 22:32

I keep meaning to post links to some good Hebrew keyboards, since Vijay keeps complaining about typing. :P

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Re: Modern Hebrew Study Group

Postby n8an » 2018-09-17, 0:08

Golv wrote:Eh, I didn't feel as strongly about the exaggeration of his Hebrew skills as you.
It seems to me his comment on Hebrew feeling like a second mother tongue was probably motivated by his personal Jewish background and meant to convey his regular and long contact with it rather than his proficiency (he after all begins the video stating French is his most proficient language after English).

He does try to give an impression of spontaneity to what is obviously rehearsed speech, but I don't see him making any boasts anywhere else in the video, so I'd cut him some slack, especially if he prepared all the text himself without having any native go over it beforehand (as the mistakes make clear is the case).


I know I'm a little harsh on him, but maybe that's just because I tend to understate my own skills in many of the languages I speak (whilst at times I also probably exaggerate them, but that's another story 8-) ). I wouldn't make such claims about my Hebrew, which is definitely a lot better than his. When someone makes claims like that, it's almost like they're inviting people to pay closer attention to it and mistakes become far more noticeable. I didn't go into the video with an eye to critique his skills, but it just happened that way with the things he said :shock:

księżycowy wrote:I keep meaning to post links to some good Hebrew keyboards, since Vijay keeps complaining about typing. :P


I use the Mac keyboards. I usually use the QWERTY-style ones for all foreign languages, which means that I can hardly use real keyboards in any language other than English anymore :shock: I had to make my own for Assyrian, which involved using some app and copying and pasting all of the letters. It was a labour of love, I guess :oops:

I have no idea what people on Windows use, but I can ask my friends.

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Re: Modern Hebrew Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-09-18, 6:41

Okay, so by now, I've gone through the first three dialogues (in the whole book!), and...I'm very confused by the word מבקר.

Colloquial translates it as 'visits', but Wiktionary says 'a controller' or 'a critic, a reviewer', and this etymological dictionary also lists 'was controlled, controlled, criticized' as possible meanings. So then how does מבקר have anything to do with visiting? The context in Colloquial is אני מבקר משׁפחה וחברים, apparently meaning 'I'm visiting family and friends'.


EDIT: Never mind, I figured it out. :P
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vijayjohn wrote:I think I'm mostly just frustrated because I see no way I could possibly complete all the exercises in one chapter of any Hebrew-language textbook without going nuts at this point. :P I think it's partly just because I'm not all that familiar with Hebrew script


Welcome to the club 8-)

Thanks! I should've clarified that I meant complete all the exercises in one chapter of any Hebrew-language textbook in one day. I think I need to start doing this piecemeal instead. And there's no rush to start, either!

I've also come to realize that a crucial difference between the Hebrew study groups and the Urdu, Kurdish, Arabic, and Persian ones is that...for the Hebrew ones, I'm relying entirely on these books. I'm using only the words that are already in the books. I'm not using a dictionary. That means every time I want to look something up, I have to use find + replace instead of just looking it up in a dictionary (I don't want to use some word that was never covered in the book!).
księżycowy wrote:I keep meaning to post links to some good Hebrew keyboards, since Vijay keeps complaining about typing. :P

Well, hurry up and post them then!!! :pff: Unless of course you want me to drown in the River Jordan of input method editors.


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