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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby sa wulfs » 2008-08-01, 19:57

I don't know what you mean.
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby KingHarvest » 2008-08-01, 20:01

Begad Kepat is an acronym of the letters that undergo spirantization. According to the one native speaker, spirantization still occurs to some extent but not universally.
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Postby sa wulfs » 2008-08-01, 20:13

Well, that thread doesn't say anything explicitly about tav. I always thought kaf, pe and bet could undergo assibilation since [x], [f] and [v] still existed in Modern Hebrew, but that [t] and [θ] had merged long ago.
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby KingHarvest » 2008-08-01, 20:19

Fair enough then, I assumed that it would apply to all the Begad Kepat letters.
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby huhmzah » 2008-08-01, 20:49

Now my name in Arabic script is written: حمزة محمود but my language (Urdu) renders the two /ħ/ sounds into /h/. Are Arabic loanwords/names that have /ħ/(ح) usually rendered into /x/(כ) when they come into Hebrew or /h/ (ה) ? What would be the best way to spell my name -- is this accurate? חַמזא מֶהמוד or should I use כ ?
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby Kuba » 2008-08-02, 12:07

I think the use of ח would be recommended for Arabic /ħ/, and ה for /h/.
So I'd guess you should write it חמזה מחמוד . Although I'm not sure if alef or hey would be better as last letter... Let the natives decide! ;)
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby Babelfish » 2008-08-02, 13:17

sa wulfs wrote:Well, that thread doesn't say anything explicitly about tav. I always thought kaf, pe and bet could undergo assibilation since [x], [f] and [v] still existed in Modern Hebrew, but that [t] and [θ] had merged long ago.

Yes, that is pretty much the situation in contemporary Hebrew. ב, כ, פ still have two pronunciations, while ג, ד, ת are always pronounced strongly. The formal writing system does still require the light dagesh in all בג"ד כפ"ת letters, when vocalization is written at all. Therefore, also, 't' in foreign words is transcribed with ט rather than ת, which used to have two pronunciations; ת is used for 'th' ( [θ] ) since its weak pronunciation used to be similar to that sound, apparently.
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby Babelfish » 2008-08-02, 13:30

huhmzah wrote:Now my name in Arabic script is written: حمزة محمود but my language (Urdu) renders the two /ħ/ sounds into /h/. Are Arabic loanwords/names that have /ħ/(ح) usually rendered into /x/(כ) when they come into Hebrew or /h/ (ה) ? What would be the best way to spell my name -- is this accurate? חַמזא מֶהמוד or should I use כ ?
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כ is almost never used for transcribing foreign names, I think. This is due to it having two possible pronunciations. It's used for Arabic names to represent ك. For Arabic ح we'll always use ח even though most of us don't pronounce it guttural anymore.
In case of another language written in Arabic script... I think it would be better to use ה in your case: המזה מהמוד. This would tell natives how to correctly pronounce it. We can't easily follow the pronunciation of ח/ ح in any language which uses them :)
-- I'd also use (silent) ה in the end of המזה, I think a final א instead of ה is again used only for Arabic names which explicitly end in ا (alif).
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby sa wulfs » 2008-08-02, 14:16

Thanks for the explanation, Babelfish! So, no geresh with tav for 'Matthew', then? I've been living in a lie. :\
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby Babelfish » 2008-08-02, 15:03

You're welcome sa wulfs :) Actually, you could write מת'יו with an apostrophe (geresh), in order to emphasize its pronunciation, we do that sometimes for new foreign words. But this name is familiar in Hebrew and usually pronounced "mat-yu"anyway...

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Postby Lemanensis » 2008-09-10, 9:54

Babelfish wrote:Brittanie would be written בריטני


Though you should be prepared to have it pronounded 'Britney' as you can't tell the difference from that spelling...

(and how _would_ you make the distinction? add aleph?)
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby Babelfish » 2008-09-10, 14:47

Um, right, I didn't give that much thought... בריטאני would be better.

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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby KingHarvest » 2008-09-11, 19:40

The name really is pronounced "Britney" most of the time though.
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby Lynch » 2009-01-18, 6:50

Well, my name is Alejandro Nijamkin.
Alejandro is a Spanish name and Nijamkin is Spanish spelling of a Russian name - it would be pronounced roughly as the English: Nee-hum-keen.
In Hebrew, I write:
אלחנדרו ניחמקין
My friends and family call me Ale, which in Hebrew is:
אלה
Can't tell you the amount of times people have mistaken my name with the common female name "ela" - same spelling... or the now common Russian name in Israel: Ala.

Also, when teachers at school would see my first name אלחנדרו, they would have no clue what vowels to stick between the consonants so they'd come up with different combinations - it was always funny when they read the roster for the first time every year, to see what they would come up with, here are some of my favorites in transliteration (I'm using 'ch' for ח)
elechnedro
alchandaro
alchendru
elachandro
elachnadro

But since the late 90's, with the proliferation of Spanish in Israeli TV, in the unfortunate form of telenovelas - less and less people made these mistakes.
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby JackFrost » 2009-05-05, 1:54

Mackenzie
מקנזי

I'm sure it's ok. I went to the Wiki and it showed William Lyon Mackenzie King as
ויליאם ליון מקנזי קינג.

EDIT: Funny that the post was there before. Got deleted I suppose. :?
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby jaybee » 2009-09-19, 13:52

שלומ :D
So, my name is Jumana. In Arabic it's جمانة .
Is this how it would be in Hebrew: ? ג'מאנה

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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby BezierCurve » 2009-09-19, 14:02

Hi,

I believe ג'ומאנה or ג'ומנה would be an option here. But wait for the natives :)
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby Stawrberry » 2009-09-19, 17:21

BezierCurve wrote:Hi,

I believe ג'ומאנה or ג'ומנה would be an option here. But wait for the natives :)


I would pick ג'ומנה. ^^

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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby csjc » 2009-09-19, 23:18

Stawrberry wrote:
BezierCurve wrote:Hi,

I believe ג'ומאנה or ג'ומנה would be an option here. But wait for the natives :)


I would pick ג'ומנה. ^^

jaybee wrote:שלומשלום


A mem at the end of a word turns into a mem sofit. :)


ג'ומנה looks better, as the additional א is uneccesary and it could prompt natives to read it as a long vowel.
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Re: Your name in hebrew script

Postby ILuvEire » 2009-09-20, 1:50

csjc wrote:ג'ומנה looks better, as the additional א is uneccesary and it could prompt natives to read it as a long vowel.

But it is a long vowel, the Arabic says /dʒu'mæːna/ (in MSA, no idea about her dialect :D ).
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