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Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby lishaoxuan » 2008-07-29, 8:50

안녕!
I'll post all my questions about Korean in this thread, so that I won't pollute the forum with random little rookie questions.

1. Are ㅓand ㅗ always pronounced the same? I read on some pronunciation guide that ㅓ sounds like 'e', but to me it just sounds like 'o'.

2. About '둘', I think it should be pronounced like 'dul', but I often hear it pronounced like 'tul'.
Which is the correct pronunciation?

Thanks!

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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby Karavinka » 2008-07-29, 22:46

lishaoxuan wrote:안녕!
I'll post all my questions about Korean in this thread, so that I won't pollute the forum with random little rookie questions.

1. Are ㅓand ㅗ always pronounced the same? I read on some pronunciation guide that ㅓ sounds like 'e', but to me it just sounds like 'o'.

2. About '둘', I think it should be pronounced like 'dul', but I often hear it pronounced like 'tul'.
Which is the correct pronunciation?

Thanks!


1. The most approximate sound of ㅓ is 'e' as you find it in Hanyu Pinyin. Or somewhat like 'e' as in '-er' in English. Many foreigners find it hard to distinguish ㅓ and ㅗ.

2. The initial consonant often becomes aspirated. It is indeed pronounced like 'tul', but it is probably better to stick to /d/ until you can distinguish 둘 from 툴. The difference between these two 'tul's may appear too subtle, but they do dinstinguish them.
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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby linguanima » 2008-07-30, 14:58

I think ㅓis pronounced with rounded lips, like the 'ar' in 'large' (BrE, London pronunciation :wink: ) or the Persian long 'a'. It's a more open 'o' whereas ㅗ is /o/ in IPA and sounds like the French 'eau'.

Doesn't 'd' sound like the unaspirated 't' in Italian/Spanish.. whatever and 't' the aspirated? That's my feeling though...
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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby lishaoxuan » 2008-08-02, 16:08

linguanima wrote:I think ㅓis pronounced with rounded lips, like the 'ar' in 'large' (BrE, London pronunciation :wink: ) or the Persian long 'a'. It's a more open 'o' whereas ㅗ is /o/ in IPA and sounds like the French 'eau'.

Doesn't 'd' sound like the unaspirated 't' in Italian/Spanish.. whatever and 't' the aspirated? That's my feeling though...

To me, the lips are more relaxed when pronouncing ㅓ, as in American English "Bob'. Is that right?

(I didn't expect you to write in the Korean forum.:D )

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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby kalemiye » 2008-08-09, 12:28

Nerdy linguanima knows Korean.
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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby lishaoxuan » 2008-08-09, 14:59

Hey renata, didn't expect to see u here too.

What Chinese characters do 친구 and 공부 correspond to?
I searched the Hanja list but didn't find any reasonable match. Are they Korean native words??

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Postby Tenebrarum » 2008-08-09, 15:43

linguanima wrote:Doesn't 'd' sound like the unaspirated 't' in Italian/Spanish.. whatever and 't' the aspirated?

Yeah that's the East Asian way... Don't know why such clumsy method is used in transcription.

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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby Karavinka » 2008-08-10, 2:03

lishaoxuan wrote:Hey renata, didn't expect to see u here too.

What Chinese characters do 친구 and 공부 correspond to?
I searched the Hanja list but didn't find any reasonable match. Are they Korean native words??


親舊 | 친구 | Friend
工夫 | 공부 | Study

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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby lishaoxuan » 2008-08-11, 7:01

noir wrote:
lishaoxuan wrote:Hey renata, didn't expect to see u here too.

What Chinese characters do 친구 and 공부 correspond to?
I searched the Hanja list but didn't find any reasonable match. Are they Korean native words??


親舊 | 친구 | Friend
工夫 | 공부 | Study

Note that 工夫 is not KUNG FU.

I found 工夫, but I mistakened it with 功夫|KungFu。 :D That's why I felt weird.
So, the Koreans think study is painstaking and time-consuming. I see.

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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby lishaoxuan » 2008-08-30, 3:42

Why 압록강 is pronounced like AmNokGang, but not ApRokGang?

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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby Karavinka » 2008-08-30, 11:22

lishaoxuan wrote:Why 압록강 is pronounced like AmNokGang, but not ApRokGang?


Regular sound change.
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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby lishaoxuan » 2008-10-02, 19:55

I haven't been here for a long time.
Just to say hi. And...I'm taking Korean 101.01 this quarter, for absolute beginners. So far they're teaching stuffs I already know. I hope the course can get harder. :D

BTW, one of my instructor 오인애, whose name written in Hanja is '吴仁爱'. But in Mandarin, it is pronounced the same with '无人爱' (loved by no one'). She hates her Chinese name. :D

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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby lishaoxuan » 2008-10-02, 19:59

What's 인사 (greetings) in 한자?

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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby Karavinka » 2008-10-02, 20:11

lishaoxuan wrote:What's 인사 (greetings) in 한자?


There's no Hanja.
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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby lishaoxuan » 2008-10-02, 20:22

Oh, ok. I just have a tendency of wanting to know the hanja to every Korean word.

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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby kalemiye » 2008-10-05, 8:57

lishaoxuan wrote:Oh, ok. I just have a tendency of wanting to know the hanja to every Korean word.


Haha, somebody wants tricks to memorize Korean faster :lol:
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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby lishaoxuan » 2008-10-05, 14:33

renata wrote:
lishaoxuan wrote:Oh, ok. I just have a tendency of wanting to know the hanja to every Korean word.


Haha, somebody wants tricks to memorize Korean faster :lol:


Yep, some of my classmates says that it's like cheating, since I already know most of the Chinese words. :D

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Postby Senyani » 2008-10-09, 18:00

Your lucky!

I know only a few Chinese words. I had no idea that this would be considered cheating.

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Postby kid2kiddo » 2008-10-27, 1:46

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Re: Korean-LiShaoXuan

Postby Senyani » 2008-10-27, 15:26

*Has look of awe on her face*

Dang......now you're making me jealous. :lol: You better make sure your teachers don't find out.....

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