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Re: German Study Group

Postby h34 » 2018-11-09, 11:08

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Re: German Study Group

Postby kevin » 2018-11-09, 11:11

I think the German sentence is the original, and they just played a bit with the word order. So "der Briefträger" is the subject and "Fräulein Meier"is actually dative and the indirect object.

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Re: German Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-09, 11:13

Yes, the German sentence is the original in the textbook.

That makes sense. I guess I was taking for granted that since the rest of the sentences started with the subject, that one did too. Tricky, tricky author! :P

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Re: German Study Group

Postby kevin » 2018-11-09, 12:40

It's definitely not the neutral word order, but one that wouldn't be used very often. So yes, tricky indeed.

By the way, in 1. I first interpreted "der Verlobten" as singular genitive of "die Verlobte". But your interpretation as plural is also possible (though writing "fem." doesn't make sense then, it's just plural (of a mixed gender group, but that doesn't make a difference in German)).

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Re: German Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-09, 12:46

I had to look that word up in a dictionary, as it wasn't in the vocabulary of the book. The definition said masculine or feminine, and the translation given for that particular word* in the book was for it matched what I thought was the feminine definition.


*Every so often the author will give a definition of a word in parentheses within a sentence, but not in the same way as in the vocabularies or like you would expect in a dictionary.

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Re: German Study Group

Postby linguoboy » 2018-11-09, 15:37

księżycowy wrote:It was a bit hard for me to make sense of the cases in sentence 7.

Consider the possibility of subject inversion.
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Re: German Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-09, 15:39

I certainly will do my best to keep that in mind from now on! :yep:

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Re: German Study Group

Postby ceid donn » 2018-11-09, 19:49

kevin wrote:I think the German sentence is the original, and they just played a bit with the word order. So "der Briefträger" is the subject and "Fräulein Meier"is actually dative and the indirect object.


Yeah, I think this is what the exercise intended to do. I just sat down to finish this exercise and looked at that sentence. Given everything that the chapter was telling us about word order, the dative case and what it has been empathizing so far, I'm pretty sure that the author wanted to get us thinking less in terms of English word order and more in terms with what is possible in German.

One thing that was stressed at the start of the section on the dative case was how the dative is used for indirect objects that in English we might use to or for with, so I translated that sentence as The postman gives a red rose to Miss Meier. I think the author wanted to see if she could trip us up by using a proper name with a title of address instead of a noun with a definite article. :whistle:

Anyhow, my answers for 3.18:

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Re: German Study Group

Postby ceid donn » 2018-11-10, 15:37

OK, 3.21:

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I don't know if the rest of you are doing 3.22, but I just did a fast translation of those sentences for practice:

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I didn't find these terribly difficult and the break-down of the cases in 3.16 is a really sweet quick reference. But that does not preclude the possibility of me making dumme Fehler. :lol: :whistle:

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Re: German Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-10, 18:38

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I'm fighting a head cold at the moment, so I'll try to get to 3.22 by the end of tomorrow, but I can't guarantee I'll get it done. I usually try to do the "vocabulary aid" exercises.

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Re: German Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-11, 20:04

Ok, so let's decide what we'd like to do next week!

Lesson 5 is broken into two parts, but the author says they are mainly for reference. Do we want to be super go getters and do all of lessons 4 & 5, or some lesser amount?

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Re: German Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-12, 4:11

Probably less.

I'm confused and don't know what to do for this group now. :doggy:

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Re: German Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-12, 10:07

Concidering your level, just support and help us?

Unless for some reason you want a grammar review.

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Re: German Study Group

Postby ceid donn » 2018-11-12, 14:41

Sorry for the late reply--I haven't been feeling well this past weekend myself.

Chapter 4 has and only one set of exercises, so maybe we can do 4 and the first part of 5, which has 2 sets of exercises (unless I'm overlooking any)? That's roughly about the same amount of exercises that we did this past week in the 2nd part of chapter 3.

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Re: German Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-12, 14:55

No worries, and that sounds good to me! :)

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Re: German Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-12, 17:59

księżycowy wrote:Concidering your level, just support and help us?

But I can try going through it with you, too, especially since this might help me give you additional exercises/practice/whatever. Remember you were suggesting that I could give you something like that?

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Re: German Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-12, 18:14

I've actually been thinking about that, and I think I have enough work at the moment without adding on anything extra. At least for now. I'm certainly glad you didn't forget though. :)

Up to you if you want to go through it with me and ceid donn.

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Re: German Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-12, 19:04

księżycowy wrote:I think I have enough work at the moment without adding on anything extra. At least for now.

Heh, that's certainly true!
Up to you if you want to go through it with me and ceid donn.

Okay, so y'all are on lesson 4 now?

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Re: German Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-12, 19:15

Yup.

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Re: German Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-13, 4:12

All right, I did that then! Here are my answers in advance whenever you're ready for them. :)
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