h34 wrote:(In Süddeutschland gibt es noch andere Varianten.)
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Balkon /balˈkoːn/
Beton /ˈbetɔŋ/ (dialect: /ˈbed̥oː/)
Orange /oˈʁɔːʃə/
Croissant /kʁoˈsɔː/
Cousin Vetter (but it would be /kʊˈsɔː/)
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h34 wrote:(In Süddeutschland gibt es noch andere Varianten.)
h34 wrote:Dabei tendiert -a- oft zu [ɔ]:
Orange [-ɑŋʒə] / [-ɔŋʒə]
kevin wrote:"Chance" dann aber schon mit [-aŋsə], nicht mit [ʒ], oder?
Iván wrote:Hallo! Ich habe ein Video angeschaut, aber ich bin nicht sicher, ob ich die letzte Frage gut verstanden habe. Also, die Frage war: Wurdest du schon mal angepupst? Ich weiß, dass angepupst etwas mit pupsen zu tun hat, aber die Frage kapiere ich nicht.
Iván wrote::lol:
Das habe zuerst ich verstanden, aber ich könnte nicht glauben, dass eine solche Frage eigentlich gestellt worden war. Danke!
Ser wrote:Hi guys, just a question. What type of people pronounce German /ʁ/ as [ʁ] after a short vowel, saying the article "der" as [dɛʁ] and "darf" as [daʁf]? Is this done in a particular region of the German-speaking world, or is it associated with people of a certain socioeconomic status or age, or something else?
[en.wikipedia . org/wiki/German_language#Consonants] wrote:/r/ has three allophones in free variation: [r], [ʁ] and [ʀ]. In the syllable coda, the allophone [ɐ] is found in many varieties.
Ser wrote:Hi guys, just a question. What type of people pronounce German /ʁ/ as [ʁ] after a short vowel, saying the article "der" as [dɛʁ] and "darf" as [daʁf]? Is this done in a particular region of the German-speaking world, or is it associated with people of a certain socioeconomic status or age, or something else?
Car wrote:Ser wrote:Hi guys, just a question. What type of people pronounce German /ʁ/ as [ʁ] after a short vowel, saying the article "der" as [dɛʁ] and "darf" as [daʁf]? Is this done in a particular region of the German-speaking world, or is it associated with people of a certain socioeconomic status or age, or something else?
Where did you hear that?
xBlackHeartx wrote:Obviously, this is even more minimal than the definite articles. The only oddity I should note is that final 'er' is pronounced as an 'ʌ' (the word 'der' is pronounced dɛʀ).
Ser wrote:Car wrote:Ser wrote:Hi guys, just a question. What type of people pronounce German /ʁ/ as [ʁ] after a short vowel, saying the article "der" as [dɛʁ] and "darf" as [daʁf]? Is this done in a particular region of the German-speaking world, or is it associated with people of a certain socioeconomic status or age, or something else?
Where did you hear that?
I first encountered this in my Larousse German-French dictionary, which has entries such as:
One day I made a table containing the irregular verbs classified by vowel changes, and a man from Germany criticized me for saying "darf" was /aː/, as apparently some or many German speakers have [a] + some rhotic. This is why "darf" is now listed under /a/.
Most recently, our fellow user xBlackHeartx reports being taught a pronunciation along these lines:xBlackHeartx wrote:Obviously, this is even more minimal than the definite articles. The only oddity I should note is that final 'er' is pronounced as an 'ʌ' (the word 'der' is pronounced dɛʀ).
Oh, and when I first took her class she was surprised when I pronounced an -ig suffix as an iç. I had a phrase book that specifically taught that, but apparently that pronunciation is unique to a few dialects in the southern part of the country. I would take that to mean that southern dialects were foreign to her.
xBlackHeartx wrote:edit: Also, looking at that site you linked, did she seriously pronounce der with a long 'i' (ipa) sound? It sounds like the same vowel she used in 'die'. Then again, my teacher did consistently pronounce 'den' with a 'e' (ipa) sound. I don't recall her doing that with 'der', though her short 'e's did sometimes sound like they were pronounced a bit higher than they should be.
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