Linguaphile wrote:I feel like you're dismissing this aspect as irrelevant, but I'm not saying it to attack you, I've saying it because it's a significant factor in language change and therefore extremely relevant
No - like you're explaining it it's fine. But it's not how it's understood when you write "here's what I couldn't agree more with: quote: it is very arrogant of you to..."
It seems like sa wulfs is going to keep calling me arrogant instead of apologising, but that's fine - we don't have to keep talking.
For me this way of talking is arrogance and stupidity, but whoever wants can also blame this opinion of mine on my arrogance and keep using insults.
Linguaphile wrote:dismissing the feedback, including feedback from native and fluent speakers, and insisting that your ideas are better than those of all fluent or native speakers (not just those here), is arrogant
Uh? I'm defending my ideas cause I still think they're good, how does that make me arrogant? Who said I'm dismissing anyone's feedback? It's not for nothing that I called some of you on bad vibes and bad temper cause there were some rather aggressive reactions that were completely unfounded, and I'm surprised that nobody said yeah, you're right - I shouldn't have said it that way.
Linguaphile wrote:Claiming that you already know Spanish because you know French and English is also arrogant.
No, it's not. If you understand it how I said it and to mean how I meant it, there isn't anything arrogant about it. This conversation is getting ridiculous. I really don't see how a well-mannered person could call another person arrogant just like that for something completely obvious - when you know French, claiming that you understand 95% of the Spanish you just read is perfectly possible. If you read it again, you will see there's nothing arrogant about it. However, calling people arrogant for something like that is arrogant. (not calling you arrogant here, just telling you what I think and having in mind the people who called me arrogant)
Linguaphile wrote:You are basically dismissing what makes Spanish "Spanish" while claiming you already know everything you need to know.
You're putting words in my mouth that I never said by claiming I claim I know everything I need to know.
Linguaphile wrote:It's obvious that being called arrogant is something that bothers you greatly
Not in the slightest when it's well-founded, but yes it does when it's somebody's subjective appreciation and said in a way which I consider arrogant.
Linguaphile wrote: this is an attitude you'll keep seeing if you continue suggesting these spelling changes or using them in your own writing
It's part of life, and sometimes it's inevitable. Sometimes you've got to do things people don't understand and disagree with. That being said, I haven't decided to do such a thing when writing Spanish or even to learn Spanish yet. It was just a good idea of mine, I think. If you go back, you will even see sa wulfs say "I think it's a cool idea too" - that wasn't the reason he called me arrogant.
On that same note, I've noticed in the past that you seem to expect people to conform with whatever is generally accepted or what you think. I told you that I do things in the opposite way. Yes, it is annoying when people start calling you arrogant; but I'm not going to change the way I do things unless I think I should.
linguoboy wrote:Woods wrote:linguoboy wrote:Woods wrote:You may think you have disproven my theory or defended Spanish speakers' holy right to write their language as they please, but first of all you don't have any objective proof which I can recognise that adopting the same spelling convention for a subset of Greek words which entered Spanish through Latin wouldn't help improve accessibility to this languages for speakers of other languages and to those languages for speakers of Spanish
She doesn't have to. The burden of proof is on
you
Why? Do I have an obligation to prove that or something? I'm making a suggestion and stating my own opinion. I don't owe anyone any explanations about it. I do not demand Spanish speakers stop writing the way they do or have any authority to do so. Whoever wants to discuss my idea is welcome, whoever doesn't like it it's their problem, I think it's a good one maybe it's not, maybe it's a wonderful one you just don't get it or maybe it's a horrible one and I'm the one who doesn't see that. In any case it makes more sense for me to say what I think than to agree with someone I disagree with - and that without calling anyone arrogant or changing the meaning of their words.
If you're not willing to provide evidence to back up your opinions, then you're not interested in having an actual discussion
If I have evidence I'll gladly give it, however this started as a few simple questions and I have not come here with tons of research in hypothetical social science to fight for change in the spelling of a language I don't even know.
linguoboy wrote:It's ridiculous for you to complain that Linguaphile hasn't provided "objective proof" to support her assertions when you haven't either.
Nothing ridiculous - you're just taking it out of your own context: she said I hadn't proven mine, I said you haven't proven yours either, you said you gotta prove yours she doesn't, I answered you. Do you think arguing about this makes any sense for real?