ph, ch, th and double consonants

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Re: ph, ch, th and double consonants

Postby Linguaphile » 2022-05-20, 15:44

:roll:
This thread is basically a parody at this point.

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Re: ph, ch, th and double consonants

Postby Woods » 2022-05-20, 15:50

Well yeah, and unfortunately not enough people got on board with my idea about Greek digraphs, but I am sure they will be reintroduced into Spanish one day :)

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Re: ph, ch, th and double consonants

Postby linguoboy » 2022-05-20, 16:51

Woods wrote:The evidence that you are asking for is will also always be loose one. Let's try actually looking for relevant studies and statistics rather than endless speculating.

Fixed that for you.

Woods wrote:If I make a hundred studies in fifty counties involving thousands of people[.]

Well, so far you haven't even made one, so this argument is irrelevant.

Woods wrote:If I have the chance, I would like to teach a dyslexic person to spell better than a native with a doctor's degree in literature and show you why I take it badly when one calls believing in people's abilities ableist.

You really seem to have a problem with the concept that anyone could know more about a topic than you think you do.

One of my nephews is dyslexic. His mother (my sister) is a teacher specialising in early childhood education. If she couldn't succeed inteaching him "to spell better than a native with a doctor's degree in literature"[*], what makes you think you could? Or, right: arrogance.

[*] As if there's any connexion between having a literature degree and being a good speller anyway. These aren't the same skill sets, as you'd know if you'd ever studied literature on an advanced level.
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Re: ph, ch, th and double consonants

Postby Woods » 2022-05-20, 18:32

linguoboy wrote:
Woods wrote:The evidence that you are asking for is will also always be loose one. Let's try actually looking for relevant studies and statistics rather than endless speculating.

Fixed that for you.

Witty. I wasn't quite aware that you cannot refer to adjectives with "one" - thank you!


linguoboy wrote:
Woods wrote:If I have the chance, I would like to teach a dyslexic person to spell better than a native with a doctor's degree in literature and show you why I take it badly when one calls believing in people's abilities ableist.

You really seem to have a problem with the concept that anyone could know more about a topic than you think you do.

That sounds so absurd that I have no idea how to reply to it.


linguoboy wrote:One of my nephews is dyslexic. His mother (my sister) is a teacher specialising in early childhood education. If she couldn't succeed inteaching him "to spell better than a native with a doctor's degree in literature"[*], what makes you think you could? Or, right: arrogance.

I haven't said I can - just that I would like to try and think chances might be higher than it is generally believed. I cannot say I'll succeed until I've tried.

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Re: ph, ch, th and double consonants

Postby linguoboy » 2022-05-20, 19:15

Woods wrote:Witty. I wasn't quite aware that you cannot refer to adjectives with "one" - thank you!

Is not the adjective that's being referred to, it's the noun. This is possible, but only with count nouns (not mass nouns like "evidence"):

The beer you are asking for is a German one.
*This water[*] is a fresh one.
He wanted some black ones, but all we have are green olives.
*The evidence you gave is an unconvincing one.

Woods wrote:
linguoboy wrote:One of my nephews is dyslexic. His mother (my sister) is a teacher specialising in early childhood education. If she couldn't succeed inteaching him "to spell better than a native with a doctor's degree in literature"[*], what makes you think you could? Or, right: arrogance.

I haven't said I can - just that I would like to try and think chances might be higher than it is generally believed. I cannot say I'll succeed until I've tried.

The fact that you think you even have a chance of achieving this is boggling to me. How many people have you successfully taught how to spell so far, in any language? It's not nearly as easy as you seem to think it is. It's not a question of "believing in people's abilities", it's understanding their limitations and your own. There's a reason dyslexia is called a "learning disability", you know.

[*] Acceptable if "water" is used in the sense of "glass of water", as is common in food service.
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Re: ph, ch, th and double consonants

Postby Johanna » 2022-05-25, 21:15

This person tries to tell us Swedes that we should really be Danes.

Danish incidentally keeps the original spelling of loan words more often than Swedish does.
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Re: ph, ch, th and double consonants

Postby Woods » 2022-11-21, 9:42

Johanna wrote:This person tries to tell us Swedes that we should really be Danes.

Danish incidentally keeps the original spelling of loan words more often than Swedish does.

This person thinks she is an elephant and is married to twenty-five people who all come from Mars!

(following the logic of someone prefers when languages keep the original spelling of loanwords = he thinks Swedes must be Danes, obviously when someone prefers reinvented spellings à la Svenska Akademin*, they must be an elephant and if so - date only Martians in large numbers!)

*It's funny how those "snille och smack" people kept the spelling "akademien" in the name of their institution, while they recommend dropping the e for everyone else, but I'mma misspell their name how they misspell others' words!


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