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Postby culúrien » 2006-09-19, 2:49

I am really really confused on the use of en. It seems to me you would just use ho/el/la/lo/etc.

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Postby Christophers » 2006-09-20, 3:48

celebrian23 wrote:I am really really confused on the use of en. It seems to me you would just use ho/el/la/lo/etc.

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Have you studied French or Italian? They both have "en" and "ne" respectively and they are used like Catalan "en."

Think of "en" to mean "of it" or "of them" and also "some."

Quants anys tens? (how old are you?)
En tinc 26. (literally: I have 26 [of them, years])

Tens germanes? (Do you have sisters?)
Sí, en tinc dues. (Yes, I have two [of them]).

Cervesa??? En vull!! (Beer? I want some!!)

Vols parlar-ne amb mi? (Do you want to talk about it with me?)

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Postby culúrien » 2006-09-20, 3:58

mercès, ara entenc :P I estic estudiant el francès però no encara sé l'ús d'en i de ne i no estudio l'italià
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Postby Aszev » 2006-09-20, 14:52

Afaik, "en" is basically de + ho/el/la/lo/and whatever ;)

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Postby elxiquet » 2006-09-20, 20:24

You know "en" is said "ne" in a major part of Valencia... and for me sounds easier...

Tens taronges a ta casa? Clar que ne tinc! :lol:

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Postby Christophers » 2006-09-20, 23:09

elxiquet wrote:You know "en" is said "ne" in a major part of Valencia... and for me sounds easier...

Tens taronges a ta casa? Clar que ne tinc! :lol:


Well that particular sentence is 4 syllables long in Valencian. In Barcelona, it's 3 with the "que" and "en" coalescing into a syllable. :-D

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Postby Guillem » 2006-09-21, 5:15

That was a cool explanation, Christophers 8)

elxiquet wrote:You know "en" is said "ne" in a major part of Valencia... and for me sounds easier...

Tens taronges a ta casa? Clar que ne tinc! :lol:


:D :D
A Catalunya només es fa servir en (i derivats), tal com hi ha més tendència a fer servir "em", "et", "es" que "me" "te" "se", i a més perquè "ne" es pot confondre amb n'he, suposo.
Christophers wrote:Well that particular sentence is 4 syllables long in Valencian. In Barcelona, it's 3 with the "que" and "en" coalescing into a syllable. :D


Exacte!
Jo diria: "Tens t(a)ronges a casa teva? Claquentinc!"
(o encara pitjor, si parlo molt de pressa: "tens tronj a casa teva? Claquentinc!" /tenstɾoɲʒəkazətevə? kɫakəntiŋ!/ :D)
Però la major part del temps prefereixo vocalitzar, no us espanteu... :P
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Postby culúrien » 2006-09-21, 5:56

Ara entenc! Tota la gent intel·ligent aprèn el català. 8) Es un concepte fàcil.

Això és deprimit- el català està corromprent el meu espanyol!

~Celeb :P
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Postby Christophers » 2006-09-21, 6:03

celebrian23 wrote:Ara entenc! Tota la gent intel·ligent aprèn el català. 8) Es un concepte fàcil.

Això és deprimit- el català està corromprent el meu espanyol!

~Celeb :P


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Postby elxiquet » 2006-09-21, 18:58

Guillem wrote:That was a cool explanation, Christophers 8)

elxiquet wrote:You know "en" is said "ne" in a major part of Valencia... and for me sounds easier...

Tens taronges a ta casa? Clar que ne tinc! :lol:


:D :D
A Catalunya només es fa servir en (i derivats), tal com hi ha més tendència a fer servir "em", "et", "es" que "me" "te" "se", i a més perquè "ne" es pot confondre amb n'he, suposo.
Christophers wrote:Well that particular sentence is 4 syllables long in Valencian. In Barcelona, it's 3 with the "que" and "en" coalescing into a syllable. :D


Exacte!
Jo diria: "Tens t(a)ronges a casa teva? Claquentinc!"
(o encara pitjor, si parlo molt de pressa: "tens tronj a casa teva? Claquentinc!" /tenstɾoɲʒəkazətevə? kɫakəntiŋ!/ :D)
Però la major part del temps prefereixo vocalitzar, no us espanteu... :P
8)



Well, i've said that for me sounds easier... :lol: specially when it's before a word which starts with a vowel... we will continue our dialogue:

Tens taronges a ta casa? Clar que ne tinc!
Ne tens??/En tens?? Que sí pesat!

Lot easier ne tens! hehehe. BTW, en tens, can be confused with entens d'entendre...although entens would be pronounced "antens" by many people here in Valencia.

Well, that's all i've got to say :lol:


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