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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby OyVey » 2016-11-05, 15:57

linguoboy wrote:"wash" THOUGHT or START
"wasp" LOT
"want" STRUT
"watch" LOT
I use the LOT vowel for all of them. So want has the STRUT vowel, therefore the same vowel as in "won"? So for you "want" and "won" sound the same except for the /t/? Also, which vowel do you use in THOUGHT?

dEhiN wrote:Canadian here, but I say it like this:

"wash" THOUGHT
"wasp" LOT
"want" THOUGHT
"watch" LOT
Which vowel sounds do you use in LOT and THOUGHT?

vijayjohn wrote:living in Texas for so long may have caused me to sometimes pronounce "day" with a monophthong in fast/casual speech (I think [ɪ]).
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby linguoboy » 2016-11-05, 16:36

OyVey wrote:
linguoboy wrote:"wash" THOUGHT or START
"wasp" LOT
"want" STRUT
"watch" LOT
I use the LOT vowel for all of them. So want has the STRUT vowel, therefore the same vowel as in "won"? So for you "want" and "won" sound the same except for the /t/?

Actually, the /t/ is often realised as [ʔ] or dropped entirely. So they may fall together completely in casual speech.

OyVey wrote:Also, which vowel do you use in THOUGHT?

Generally [ɒ], though under influence from the NCVS this may occasionally become [ɑ] or even [a].
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Mars80 » 2016-11-11, 19:06

linguoboy wrote:
OyVey wrote:
linguoboy wrote:"wash" THOUGHT or START
"wasp" LOT
"want" STRUT
"watch" LOT
I use the LOT vowel for all of them. So want has the STRUT vowel, therefore the same vowel as in "won"? So for you "want" and "won" sound the same except for the /t/?

Actually, the /t/ is often realised as [ʔ] or dropped entirely. So they may fall together completely in casual speech.


the "t" in "want" for me drops when the next word begins with a vowel, so "want a" and "won a", as well as "want it" and "won it" sound the same.

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2016-11-13, 3:36

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby OyVey » 2016-11-14, 5:47

mōdgethanc wrote:chlorine
I've only heard [ˈkʰlɔ:ɹi:n] and [kʰlɔ:ˈɹi:n]. Are there other variations?
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Postby linguoboy » 2016-11-14, 18:34

And I honestly can't tell you which of those two variants I use more often. They both sound quite natural to me.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2016-11-19, 7:43

OyVey wrote:I've only heard [ˈkʰlɔ:ɹi:n] and [kʰlɔ:ˈɹi:n]. Are there other variations?
Apparently [ˈkʰlɔ:ɹɪn] is one, but only a British toff would say that. I asked because the dictionaries I checked only have the stress on the first syllable, but I've always said it with stress on the second.

The ending -ine in chemistry, pharmacology etc. is quite the clusterfuck. I've heard "quinine" said about four different ways, and "iodine" two or three. It seems the diphthongized /aɪn/ is the old-fashioned way and the standard for newly discovered compounds is /i:n/.

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Postby OyVey » 2016-11-19, 15:57

mōdgethanc wrote:
OyVey wrote:I've only heard [ˈkʰlɔ:ɹi:n] and [kʰlɔ:ˈɹi:n]. Are there other variations?
Apparently [ˈkʰlɔ:ɹɪn] is one, but only a British toff would say that. I asked because the dictionaries I checked only have the stress on the first syllable, but I've always said it with stress on the second.

The ending -ine in chemistry, pharmacology etc. is quite the clusterfuck. I've heard "quinine" said about four different ways, and "iodine" two or three. It seems the diphthongized /aɪn/ is the old-fashioned way and the standard for newly discovered compounds is /i:n/.

I have to disagree with you there. I've just asked a random American "What do you call what they put in swimming pools?" and she said [ˈkʰlɔ:ɹi:n]. Then I asked "What do you put on cuts, or what did you used to put on cuts?" "iodine" (/aɪn/). I'd hardly call the /aɪn/ variant old-fashioned.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2016-11-21, 3:36

OyVey wrote:I have to disagree with you there. I've just asked a random American "What do you call what they put in swimming pools?" and she said [ˈkʰlɔ:ɹi:n]. Then I asked "What do you put on cuts, or what did you used to put on cuts?" "iodine" (/aɪn/). I'd hardly call the /aɪn/ variant old-fashioned.
That was a generalization. "Iodine" is pronounced with /aɪ/ because it's been known for a long time. I said newly discovered substances tend to use /i/. Pronouncing them with /aɪ/ would be old-fashioned.

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Inky Scrolls » 2017-02-17, 9:28

How d'you pronounce:

beer (I have [bɪː])
holy, holey and wholly (I have [ˈhoʊ̯li], [ˈhɒʊ̯ɫi] and [ˈhɒʊ̯ɫːi])
lair (I have [lɛː])
hue (I have [çʉʊ̯])

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

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Inky Scrolls wrote:How d'you pronounce:

beer (I have [bɪː])

[ˈbijɹ̩]
holy, holey and wholly (I have [ˈhoʊ̯li], [ˈhɒʊ̯ɫi] and [ˈhɒʊ̯ɫːi])

[ˈhoʊ̯li], [ˈhoʊ̯li], and either [ˈhoʊ̯li] or [ˈhoɫli].
lair (I have [lɛː])

[leɹ]
hue (I have [çʉʊ̯])

[hjuw]

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby md0 » 2017-07-31, 6:40

So, I used the word elsewhere, and now I'm wondering...
Genre
I say /ʒɑːnɹə/ (more or less), and I've heard the /dʒ/ version of that too. My phonetics/phonology professor says /dʒɒnɚ/ (which makes me think Janner).
Is that non-standard American, or is it his own idiosyncrasy?
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2017-07-31, 6:57

[biɚ ˈhɔːɫi ɫɛɚ çjuː]

(I think there is some weird fronting/backing so maybe [ʉw] is more like it)
is it his own idiosyncrasy?
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby OldBoring » 2017-07-31, 9:22

vijayjohn wrote:
holy, holey and wholly (I have [ˈhoʊ̯li], [ˈhɒʊ̯ɫi] and [ˈhɒʊ̯ɫːi])

[ˈhoʊ̯li], [ˈhoʊ̯li], and either [ˈhoʊ̯li] or [ˈhoɫli].

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby linguoboy » 2017-07-31, 14:39

md0 wrote:Genre
I say /ʒɑːnɹə/ (more or less), and I've heard the /dʒ/ version of that too. My phonetics/phonology professor says /dʒɒnɚ/ (which makes me think Janner).
Is that non-standard American, or is it his own idiosyncrasy?

I would say idiolectal. At least I can't remember hearing it from any other person.

I used an affricate pretty consistently up through high school and then switched to /ʒ/ at some point in college.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Llawygath » 2017-08-15, 12:32

Does anyone else pronounce words like "palm" as if they had "all" in the middle (i.e. [pɒɫm] in my accent)? I was really surprised to find out that the standard pronunciation was with /ɑː/ rather than /ɔl/ and even the one with /l/ has an unrounded vowel. I can't possibly be the only one who does this, can I? It had to come from somewhere...

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Dormouse559 » 2017-08-15, 14:12

I do pronounce "palm" as if it had "all" in the middle, but that's only because the low back vowels have all merged to /ɑ/ in my dialect.
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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby Mars80 » 2017-08-28, 16:45

Do you pronounce "coupon" as "coo pon" or "Q pon"? I say "coo pon".

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby linguoboy » 2017-08-28, 16:51

Mars80 wrote:Do you pronounce "coupon" as "coo pon" or "Q pon"? I say "coo pon".

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Re: The How do you Pronounce X Thread

Postby mōdgethanc » 2017-08-31, 23:28

/ˈkuːpɑn/


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