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As of late...ly

Postby jonathan » 2005-12-04, 19:19

I've always been a little curious how "as of late" came about, presumably from "as of lately." The latter one seems to be more commonly heard, but plenty of native speakers seem to use the former example. What do you suppose was the evolution of this? Is "as of late" merely a shortening of "as of lately," or something else? Or vice versa?

Which version of this phrase would you use? I for one tend to use "as of late," but I know I say "as of lately" sometimes as well.

(This discussion is particularly over this as a standalone phrase, not including something like "as of late November 2005...")
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Postby MikeL » 2005-12-04, 20:34

I would venture to suggest that originally there were two expressions:
"lately"
"as of late"
"As of lately" is probably a confusion of the two.

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Postby Rikita » 2005-12-04, 21:40

Weird, I don't think I ever heard "as of lately". Of course I am not a native speaker of English, nor do I live in an English speaking country right now - but I read and hear English quite often (and in a lot of cases written and spoken by native speakers) so I am surprised I never heard it.

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Postby Dminor » 2005-12-04, 22:20

What is it supposed to mean? :?:

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Postby jonathan » 2005-12-04, 23:10

Dminor wrote:What is it supposed to mean? :?:


It's kind of just another way of saying "recently."
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Postby Ariki » 2005-12-05, 2:30

Hmm I prefer the first one, generally however, I also use -

but lately
well lately
well recently

as opposed to 'as of late'.
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Postby Dardallion » 2005-12-06, 14:17

I've never heard 'as of lately'

I would agree that its probably a confusion of the two phrases, 'as of late' and 'lately'.

'of late' is an idoimatic phrase using 'late' as a noun rather than an adjective to form an adverbial phrase, dating from the mid thirteenth century. It means 'lately'. And can be used in the same way as 'as of late' can be. Thus:

As of late, the men have been very quiet.
Of late, the men have been very quiet.

I would be tempted to write the second phrase slightly differently though:

The men have been very quiet of late.

But you can't do that with 'as of late'. Perhaps peopel do, but it would certainly sound wierd to me, almost child-like.
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Postby jonathan » 2005-12-06, 17:08

Dardallion wrote:The men have been very quiet of late.

But you can't do that with 'as of late'. Perhaps peopel do, but it would certainly sound wierd to me, almost child-like.


What's that you can't do— put it at the end of a sentence? That doesn't sound strange to me at all:

The men have been very quiet as of late.
As of late, the men have been very quiet.

Both sound the same to me...

:?:
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Postby Gormur » 2005-12-06, 18:00

jonathan wrote:
Dardallion wrote:The men have been very quiet of late.

But you can't do that with 'as of late'. Perhaps peopel do, but it would certainly sound wierd to me, almost child-like.


What's that you can't do— put it at the end of a sentence? That doesn't sound strange to me at all:

The men have been very quiet as of late.
As of late, the men have been very quiet.

Both sound the same to me...

:?:


Sounds about right to me too.

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Postby Dardallion » 2005-12-07, 10:59

Perhaps it's a dialectical thing, either trans-Atlantic differences, or perhaps just my little version of the language. :lol:
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