2nd person plural in English

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Postby Stan » 2005-06-23, 18:00

Thou represents the expected outcome of Old English þú, which, with expected Germanic lengthening of the vowel in an open syllable, represents Indo-European *tu. Thou is therefore cognate with Latin, French, Spanish, Catalan, Italian, Portuguese, and Romanian tu and modern German du. A cognate form of the pronoun exists in almost every other Indo-European language.
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Postby Blackleaf » 2005-12-24, 20:16

nosafety wrote:"You" would be the proper polite way to use the 2nd person plural, possibly accompanied by such niceties as "Ladies and Gentlemen" or "Sir" as a form of address. "You guys," "you-all," or "y'all" should be fine in familiar surroundings, but it you're trying to be polite, it's not the way to go.


Unless you're British, in which case "y'all" sounds absolutely HORRENDOUS and is an ugly Americanism.

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Postby Blackleaf » 2005-12-24, 20:18

The Scots like yo use the word "yous".

"I'll give all of yous presents for Christmas."

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Postby DelBoy » 2005-12-27, 17:13

Daniel wrote:
Blackleaf wrote:The Scots like yo use the word "yous".

"I'll give all of yous presents for Christmas."


Not just the Scots. I hear Yorkshire folk use it, too. :wink:


And the Irish :wink:

We've gone one further here actually:

Standard BrE ------ Hiberno-English
you (singular) ----- you
your (singular) ----- your
you (plural) ----- yous/yis/ye
your (plural) ----- yisser/yeer
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Postby Rom » 2006-01-01, 19:52

[quote=Kirk]
You all, all of you (these are somewhat more formal)
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Interesting. To me "all of you" sounds more formal, but here both "you all" and "y'all" would just make you sound like a Texan.

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Postby Kirk » 2006-01-02, 3:37

Rom wrote:[quote=Kirk]
You all, all of you (these are somewhat more formal)


Interesting. To me "all of you" sounds more formal, but here both "you all" and "y'all" would just make you sound like a Texan.[/quote]

Haha, well needless to say I don't use either of those forms that often. It's almost always "you guys" for me. I can think of very few situations where I'd feel it formal enough to not warrant "you guys."
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Postby gorilla » 2006-01-06, 20:32

Hm. Are there any efforts putting back 'thou', or making something like 'yous' official? It's bad that English doesn't separate them. It's not just a characteristic, but a really bad and illogical thing. If the singular was like "you is" then it would be more acceptable, but both of them are "you are"... It's very confusing. :?

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Postby culúrien » 2006-01-06, 20:42

I seriously doubt english will go back to having two forms of you.
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Postby Travis B. » 2006-01-06, 21:46

celebrian23 wrote:I seriously doubt english will go back to having two forms of you.


Depends on what one means exactly by "forms of you". If one just means second person pronouns, actually, many English dialects have now gone back to having separate singular and plural second person pronouns. On the other hand, if you mean separate informal and formal second person singular pronouns, yes, such is probably much less likely in the forseeable near future.
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Postby culúrien » 2006-01-06, 21:59

Haha yes I meant an informal/formal you. I guess the problem is all the plural forms of you are pretty much informal and not something you can use in a formal context. Y'all, you all, etc
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