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Music in minority languages

Postby IpseDixit » 2014-04-19, 11:29

So, as the title suggests, I'd like this to be a place where to share music in minority languages.

Here's a hip hop band that sings in [flag=]rm[/flag] Romansh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mtl1VGCYRew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKbQyROrm-Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lyoxk9QC8X4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djmFOfEUVsI
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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby Ludwig Whitby » 2014-04-19, 13:40

Roma language:

Šaban Bajramović, the best Roma jazz musician:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdVVXt29bos

Esma Redžepova, she sings a bit more traditionally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbxbnxuRrkw

These songs (Djelem Djelem and Chaje Shukarije) are the most popular Roma folk songs alongside Ederlezi.

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby Saim » 2014-04-19, 14:42

Bona idea. Aqueste grop romanch m'encanta! Son fòrça bons.

Vaquí un grop que canta en occitan cisalpenc, de las Valadas Occitanas (Estat italian):

Maquina Enfernala de Lou Seriol ("The Squirrel")

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQUjBV_LHIA

Paraulas:

La Maquina Enfernala a ben lo morre plat
de pòliç de mesura e lo son coma vòs tu
de Maquinas enfernalas i n’a tuchi cantons
a l'òste en la gleisa e beleu dins ta maison
la Maquina enfernala te parla dau dedins
te dis lòn que te chal faire de la sera au matin
la Maquina enfernala es pas una mia envencion
de luns a la diamenja a vos crema i neurons

En la Maquina enfernala i tròbes en pauc de tot
de filhas patanuas , lo Papa, de balon
de milions a ganhar, des mòtos e des cartoons
e dins tot aquest flan ont es l'informacion?
De sens plen de plastica de labres au silicon
de monde sus a un isla, de longs e des chichons
sarrats dins la meison a faire i porcons
e tuchi aqui denant a beicar la trasmission...

Fai-te pas comandar dau poder
destissa lo bordel d'la maquina enfernala
fai-te pas comandar dau poder
avisca lo cervel e fai brusar ta flama
Fai-te pas comandar dau poder
destisa lo bordel d'la maquina enfernala
fai-te pas comandar dau poder
avisca lo cervel

La Maquina enfernala s’i gaches ben dedins
es vueida coma botas a la fin dau tiu festin
lor dion que siem libres "es tot denant de vos!"
(si lo monde es parier mi vau viure sus Pluton!)
es coma lo serpent denant lo son de la fluta
la maquina enfernala pinta d'òr tot lòn que tocha
e se decò vosautres la pensetz coma mi
fasem petar la maquina a lo son de nòstre rindim
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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby Lur » 2014-04-19, 15:52

Well, I always put this one when songs come up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHIxYlmAQAs

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby IpseDixit » 2014-04-19, 16:44

Saim wrote:Vaquí un grop que canta en occitan cisalpenc, de las Valadas Occitans (Estat italian):

Gé no i cognoscee, che pecià che ic no à abù più visibilità su i media talians.

A propòjit de l'ocitan, Saim cognosceste pa chesta cianzon? Gé peisse che sibie belebon renomèda. Timpruma l'era na ciantia popolèra e ades l'é vegnuda refata sù a desvalives modes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn2yael6VHw

Chesta verscïon é una de cheles che prefere, seence che l ciantarin à n'azent mingol (o fosc più che mingol) todesch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1xh2keCII

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby IpseDixit » 2014-04-19, 17:32

Lur wrote:Well, I always put this one when songs come up.


Es un poquito melancólica pero me gusta, de que habla?

Ludwig Whitby wrote:Roma language:

Šaban Bajramović, the best Roma jazz musician:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdVVXt29bos

Esma Redžepova, she sings a bit more traditionally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbxbnxuRrkw

These songs (Djelem Djelem and Chaje Shukarije) are the most popular Roma folk songs alongside Ederlezi.


Not exactly my cup of tea but interesting, I've also found this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RALy6oVdto

what is that about?

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby Ludwig Whitby » 2014-04-19, 18:10

IpseDixit wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RALy6oVdto

what is that about?

That one's in Serbian though. And the singer is probably Muharem Serbezovski and not Šaban Bajramović.

It's about a boy (or a young man) longing to meet his father who went to America to earn some money for the family, got sick and never returned. He would give away all the money just to see and meet his father.

The chorus goes something like this:

Cursed is America
And so is gold that shines
Because of them, the photo of you is fading away
Because of them, I have no father


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Found Šaban's vesion in Romani:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dwp5-mzNQ3I

Maybe this one would be more your cup of tea? It's less folksy and more jazz-y.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4QiF3CeeOc

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Postby melski » 2014-04-19, 21:17

Here's a beautiful rendition of Yesterday by the Beatles in Veps language

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEdlDHWHsxo
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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby IpseDixit » 2014-04-19, 22:55

Speaking of cover songs, I love this one in [flag=]ga[/flag] Irish:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A6__HssHW8

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby linguoboy » 2014-04-20, 4:01

I find those Irish cover versions painful. The speakers are non-native, their pronunciation is totally anglicised, and the translations are awkward and unidiomatic.

It's a completely different situation in Wales. There you have native speakers doing original songs in a range of styles and genres. Some of my faves:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OckWKBaMj4 Genod Droog, "Dal Ni Lawr"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQNo4HNJX98 Derwyddon Dr Gonzo, "Madrach"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JC1JrHWIRlU Anifeiliaid Anhygoel o Flewog (Super Furry Animals) "Pan Ddaw'r Gwawr"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiMwm37kwU4 Meic Stephens, "Y Brawd Houdini"
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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby IpseDixit » 2014-04-20, 8:55

linguoboy wrote:I find those Irish cover versions painful. The speakers are non-native, their pronunciation is totally anglicised, and the translations are awkward and unidiomatic.

Oh, what a shame ...

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby Saim » 2014-04-20, 10:48

IpseDixit wrote:Gé no i cognoscee, che pecià che ic no à abù più visibilità su i media talians.


Esparava pas que foguèssen coneguts en Itàlia, mas se vètz que colaboron ambé grops de l'Occitània administrativament francesa e an tocat en qualques festivals d'ailà...

A propòjit de l'ocitan, Saim cognosceste pa chesta cianzon? Gé peisse che sibie belebon renomèda. Timpruma l'era na ciantia popolèra e ades l'é vegnuda refata sù a desvalives modes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn2yael6VHw


La coneissiá pas, mas m'agrada plan, mercés. :)

Chesta verscïon é una de cheles che prefere, seence che l ciantarin à n'azent mingol (o fosc più che mingol) todesch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1xh2keCII


Ai escotat aquesta cançon sens legir ton missatge, e pensava "en qual dialècte es aquò? sembla fòrça estranh". Doncas m'estranha pas que sián estrangièrs. :P

(Que vòl díser "mingol", per cert?)

[flag=]eu[/flag] + [flag=]co[/flag]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hh07JN59v4

A song about Corsican-Basque solidarity. The lyrics (in the video information) are in a mix of Coriscan and Basque, and here you can find a translation in French.

[flag=]sc[/flag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5I7dsumikt0

Song in Sardinian about Sardinia. Here are the lyrics and an Italian translation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxlw_csrZro

A song with lyrics in favour of the normalisation of the Sardinian language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOuXIC2IdfM

Another one from the same group called "in my land".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StZtfBI_E0E

Even more political this time. A rap song that defends socialism and Sardinian independence.

[flag=]oc[/flag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O53LfuyqYeo

An ode to the Occitan language from Gascony. In the video there are the lyrics in Gascon along with a translation in French.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY0kiKdK4sg

A Provençal reggae song about the importance of speaking "patois". Here are the lyrics in Provençal.

[flag=]nap[/flag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngLs6FEdxXM

A Neapolitan rap song about how difficult the language is to understand for people who only speak Italian. The subtitles are in Neapolitan, and here's an Italian translation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8SNsdsNGkQ#t=107

A Neapolitan adaptation of a Rage Against the Machine song, the vocals provided by one of the members of the above group (ShaOne from La Famiglia). The video description has the lyrics in Neapolitan and Italian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2c3I1z3wco

A newer artist. Lyrics.


[flag=]an[/flag]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tn9wNfKtVjQ

A sad Aragonese rock song, here are the lyrics, and here's a Spanish translation.

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby IpseDixit » 2014-04-20, 21:14

Wow Saim, n muie de roba da scutèr sù! :)

IpseDixit wrote:Gé no i cognoscee, che pecià che ic no à abù più visibilità su i media talians taliegn ( :oops:).


Esparava pas que foguèssen coneguts en Itàlia, mas se vètz que colaboron ambé grops de l'Occitània administrativament francesa e an tocat en qualques festivals d'ailà...


Scì, defat no se deisa se n fèr marevea...

Ai escotat aquesta cançon sens legir ton missatge, e pensava "en qual dialècte es aquò? sembla fòrça estranh". Doncas m'estranha pas que sián estrangièrs. :P


Eheh, a mi veder te la pruma pèrt el à n azent mingol da tant* o schèji*, però te la seconda pèrt sia pronunzia piora.

*mingol da tant - decent, schèji - almost

(Que vòl díser "mingol", per cert?)


L vel dir "a little bit"

Enveze che velel dir pa "plan"?

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Native: [flag=]en[/flag] Advanced: [flag=]zh[/flag] Actively studying: [flag=]th[/flag][flag=]id[/flag] Passively dabbling: [flag=]lkt[/flag]

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2014-04-24, 6:39

This thread is right up my alley, since probably the majority of the songs I post in the "What song are you listening to?" thread is in various minority languages. :P
Ludwig Whitby wrote:These songs (Djelem Djelem and Chaje Shukarije) are the most popular Roma folk songs alongside Ederlezi.

You may know a lot of this already, but I doubt everybody here does: "Djelem djelem" is the Romani anthem, and I'm guessing it may be fair to say that the other two are the most popular Romani songs in the Balkans. I'm less sure about what's popular outside that area, though. For example, further to the east, "Loli Phabaj" seems to be pretty popular, perhaps even more so than either "Čhaje Šukarije" or "Ederlezi":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmhA1993LWY
I've seen a few different versions of the lyrics, but I'm just going to present the one I got from my advisor here:

And'e verdes dragos nane (In the not so pretty garden)
Man piramni šukar nane (My lover is not very beautiful).
Loli phabaj pre činava, xop xop xop (I'll cut apart a red apple, xop xop xop [chop chop chop?])
Jekh vaš Tuke, jekh vaš mange, xop xop xop (One for you, one for me, xop xop xop).
Aj ne nene ne ne nene...

There's another version of "Ederlezi" with the lyrics written out along with a translation into English here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkWa6os0eMA
("Ederlezi" itself refers to St. George's Day; the word comes from Turkish Hıdırellez).

Also featured in Time of the Gypsies is this song, which, as I understand it, is a pretty sad song about a Romani guy being drafted into the army (this video just shows the lyrics, although I'm not really sure they're accurate and the last stanza is omitted, not from the captions but from the video itself):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0mYyzpN_Sk

I've also posted a few Romani songs on the songs thread, namely "Tutti Frutti" from Gadjo Dilo and this Polish Romani song (which I posted here). I'm sure I'll post more Romani songs in future, too. :)

And finally, something that has nothing to do with Romani at all, just because I was just listening to this video in Oshiwambo and this song was playing in the background :P
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-xuQAsXNDs
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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby Ludwig Whitby » 2014-04-24, 12:06

It's interesting that the most known Roma songs gained wider popularity only after being featured in movies. You've posted the links for:

Loli Phabay in Gypsies Are Found Near Heaven.

Ederlezi in Time of the Gypsies.

Djelem Djelem was featured in a masterpiece called I Even Met Happy Gypsies

And Čhaje Šukarije in Borat. :)

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Re: Music in minority languages

Postby vijayjohn » 2014-04-24, 20:27

I think (popular) movies sort of force the viewers to be exposed to Romani music more than they otherwise would be. Besides, it's kind of hard to even find Romani music otherwise. Literally every Romani song I have ever heard is on either YouTube or one of Ian Hancock's cassettes (or both).

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