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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby Sol Invictus » 2014-05-13, 18:09

Lada wrote:
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Lada wrote:Conchita

What about booing?

Why do you care so much about it? Personally I don't care.

I do not, it's just that when the thread has turned into massive discussion about if it was right or wrong to boo Russia for political reasons, it would be nice to hear if Russians actually paid much attention to it

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby voron » 2014-05-13, 18:34

Sol Invictus wrote:I do not, it's just that when the thread has turned into massive discussion about if it was right or wrong to boo Russia for political reasons, it would be nice to hear if Russians actually paid much attention to it

Lol, Russians didn't even notice. I didn't notice either while I was watching the show. I learnt about the booing only from this discussion on Unilang. I was watching it on Russian TV and the commentators didn't blink an eye even if they heard anything.

kibo wrote:1) I did, the song is catchy and Teo's dance is funny, although the lyrics are silly :silly: He should have sung the Belarusian version :lol:

Wow, it made my day! :D I just have to transcribe the lyrics now. They make a bit more sense than the English version.

Час, калі ў першы раз праз нейкі срок
Нам у інтэрнэце гарны хлопец станчыў пра пірог
Модныя словы замежнай мовы
И дзякуй Бог больш песен стала ў свеце пра тварог

Ой каб толькі не праспаць ды ўтаргаваць
Нам на базары дзве кароўкі хораша прадаць
Мы грошы маем, "Чызкейк" спяваем
У Капенгаген едзем, каб цябе падтрымаць
This is the time, when for the first time after a while
A fine guy from the internet danced for us about a cheesecake
Fancy words in a foreign language
And thank God now the world has more songs about cheese.

If only we could wake up on time and bargain well
And sell our two cows from the market
We've got money, we sing "Cheesecake"
And we're going to Copenhagen to support you.

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby Lada » 2014-05-13, 18:39

voron wrote:
Sol Invictus wrote:I do not, it's just that when the thread has turned into massive discussion about if it was right or wrong to boo Russia for political reasons, it would be nice to hear if Russians actually paid much attention to it

Lol, Russians didn't even notice. I didn't notice either while I was watching the show. I learnt about the booing only from this discussion on Unilang.

Me too, though I haven't watched Eurovision but I read the news, nothing was written about it. But I googled and actually some people noticed that. Reaction is like "We live in empire, nobody likes us, so what?" Russians feel OK about it and don't take to heart.
And then, Eurovision is politically affected contest, I'm not surprised.

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby OldBoring » 2014-05-14, 15:42

I agree that the "We are Slavic" video is too sexualized... but honestly I got an erection while watching it. :oops:
It seems that they have reached their purpose: the whole Europe is talking about them.

I didn't like the Italian entry at all honestly... while San Marino was good. I haven't seen the others.

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby Varislintu » 2014-05-15, 12:45

Youngfun wrote:I agree that the "We are Slavic" video is too sexualized... but honestly I got an erection while watching it. :oops:
It seems that they have reached their purpose: the whole Europe is talking about them.

I didn't like the Italian entry at all honestly... while San Marino was good. I haven't seen the others.


Nothing wrong with getting an erection, it was pretty porny. :lol:

I didn't like San Marino, it felt a bit dry and the lyrics were kind of meh.

Belarus was cute, not awesome, but I like a man who can move his feet. :D And it was catchy: I've had the chorus in my head all week.

Did anyone else think there seemed to be more entries with a male performer in the finals than usually? I think it's usually said that only a woman can win, but I think that's becoming less true. I was happy that there was a pretty even gender distribution this year.

Armenia was my personal black horse this year, meaning that I did not foresee people liking it so much. Well, also Hungary. :)

I voted for Norway in the semifinal -- I know that it was a tad oversentimental, but I felt the guy's voice really fit the song, and I liked the song's lyrics.

What a surprise that Finland's teenage band did so well! I think it helped that it was the only song remotely like that in the competition.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby TeneReef » 2014-05-16, 1:44

Varislintu wrote:
What a surprise that Finland's teenage band did so well! I think it helped that it was the only song remotely like that in the competition.


Krista, Oscar and that Swedish song were better. :mrgreen:
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby Vertigo » 2014-05-16, 5:34

So, apparently this has been a thing since last year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRmB_BYQCa0

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby OldBoring » 2014-05-16, 10:06

Varislintu wrote:I didn't like San Marino, it felt a bit dry and the lyrics were kind of meh.

I wasn't talking to the lyrics, but the singer's voice is very good, IMO.

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby vijayjohn » 2014-05-16, 15:03

I saw the Polish entry just because it was being talked about so much on this thread. :lol: I'm not entirely sure I see what the big deal is, TBH. :oops: To some extent, it makes me wonder whether Europeans just have more qualms about nudity (of either sex) than I do (maybe partly because I'm Malayalee).

And I agree, I don't even speak more than the slightest bit of Polish, but it definitely sounds better in Polish than in English. What the hell was that "shake whatcho mama gave ya" BS? :lol: It doesn't even fit the tune.

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby Saim » 2014-05-16, 15:32

It's not about nudity or sex. It's totally possible to be nude and sexual without being sexist.

And I agree, the "shake what your mama gave you" part is definitely the most jarring part. They're just incompetently imitating American song lyrics, I think.

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby Varislintu » 2014-05-17, 9:28

Saim wrote:It's not about nudity or sex. It's totally possible to be nude and sexual without being sexist.


This. I'm not sure what you could even mean by "nudity", vijayjohn, since there wasn't really nudity per se. No more than in the other entries' outfits (possibly less). But it was way more sexualised, and the problem was what the purpose of the soft porn side kicks was, combined with the lyrics and the larger cultural context of "Slavic girls" (Slavic girls are known, for example, as victims of human trafficking and prostitution in Europe, and labelled as potential subservient mail order brides in Western Europe and the USA [although nowadays they are apparently too uppity and the focus has shifted to "Asian girls"] -- this stage performance, do you think it helped present that Slavic girls are more than that, or just help confirm that they even like to be that?). I tried to explain why I found the performance so off-putting in my posts.
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby md0 » 2014-05-17, 9:43

it makes me wonder whether Europeans just have more qualms about nudity

That's not true for Western and Northern Europe. Nudity seems very acceptable there.
I was shocked by the amount of non-sexualised nudity on British and Swedish TV. Still shocked by the non-sexualised ...sex scenes on Swedish TV (I've only watched two series though, The Bridge and Real Humans).
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby Yasna » 2014-05-17, 12:56

meidei wrote:non-sexualised ...sex scenes

What....???
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby vijayjohn » 2014-05-17, 16:47

Varislintu wrote:I'm not sure what you could even mean by "nudity", vijayjohn, since there wasn't really nudity per se.

Oh, sorry. I guess what I really meant was just "cleavage." :oops:

But basically, I suspect that the reason why this song seems to provoke almost no emotional response from me and strong emotional responses from...well, Europeans in general, I guess, is entirely cultural and lost on me. I think it could take me years to understand even something as seemingly basic as why it might turn someone on. :lol:

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby IpseDixit » 2014-05-17, 17:08

But basically, I suspect that the reason why this song seems to provoke almost no emotional response from me and strong emotional responses from...well, Europeans in general, I guess, is entirely cultural and lost on me. I think it could take me years to understand even something as seemingly basic as why it might turn someone on.


It seems you're stuck believing that our problem is hormones but it's not. We don't live in the Victorian age anymore. And obviously we don't have a problem with nudity otherwise at least 50% of the artworks we have wouldn't exist.

Personally, my problem is that they present Slavic girls the same way as a farmer would present their cows at a country fair. Moreover the lyrics are a bunch of sexist phrases, like when they say that slavic girls has to be tried like a cake and that they prepare food to you (as if it's exclusive duty of a woman to prepare food).

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby Car » 2014-05-18, 12:31

meidei wrote:
it makes me wonder whether Europeans just have more qualms about nudity

That's not true for Western and Northern Europe. Nudity seems very acceptable there.
I was shocked by the amount of non-sexualised nudity on British and Swedish TV. Still shocked by the non-sexualised ...sex scenes on Swedish TV (I've only watched two series though, The Bridge and Real Humans).

British TV? What do you have in mind? Compared to elsewhere in Western and Northern Europe, they seem rather reserved to me.There's definitely more sex and nudity in French or German productions, even in those from the 60s (if you found The Bridge and Real Humans shocking, you shouldn't watch French films from the 60s).
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby Varislintu » 2014-05-21, 10:21

Ludwig Whitby wrote:A propos the Polish entry:


Thank god I'm agly and feminist. :P

But I got progremmer! :cheery:
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Re: Eurovision Song Contest 2014 - Copenhagen, Denmark

Postby Sol Invictus » 2014-05-21, 14:20

First time I see a brand wanting to be associated with something sluts would buy (especially considering they usually go for water is healthy). Other than that - they seem to be playing on trophy wife/gold digger stereotypes that seem to be popular everywhere, rather than ethnic/genetic thing Polish entry was going for


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