Zorba wrote:The point about going to McDonald's that you're all missing is that it's a cultural experience, not just greasy food. This is difficult to understand if you normally consider a cultural experience to be the opera house, or an independent film festival, or the locally-managed fairtrade-coffee house.
I'm sorry if I somehow made you believe that I'm some sort of upper class stiff upper-lip kind of person - I was raised in a working class family with a drinking, abusive father until the age of seven, when my parents divorced, and after that one could've hoped for the better but that didnae happen... I tell you, my background has nothing to do with "fine art culture"... The only reason I study at university and have the opportunity to work and study at fancy places today is my own bloody determination to get awa' from the shitty background I was presented with when entering this world. My grandparents, sisters,my mother and uncle, as well as my Scottish Gaelic relatives are the only good things about my background...
I can see what you mean by saying that McDonalds is a "cultural" experience for the working-class family, and to some point I do agree, but saying that McDonalds is a five time's cheaper alternative to the French restaurant is using just as many stereotypes as you say I do; being rich doesn't mean you don't cook or don't work hard or only eat out, just as little as being working-class mean that you only enjoy soccer, beer and "other barbaric activites".
Zorba wrote:If you are working twelve-hour shifts in a dead-end minimum-wage or below minimum-wage job - as many people in this country do - and come home and have to provide for a family, it's expensive and time-consuming and requires knowledge to buy natural ingredients and prepare food from them. It's much easier to go to the nearby McDonald's, which provides fast, quick service at a relatively low cost. This also gives you a chance to interact with the community and it gives your kids a sense that they are seeing the world beyond the four walls of their house that they see every day, at a price five times cheaper than the French restaurant up the road.
In a working-class family it's more often cheaper to cook your own damn food, even if you have three jobs and seventy thousand chores to do - eating out will always be expensive, no matter what palce you consider a restaurant, for someone with little money - believe me, my mother would re-use and make food of stuffs you wouldn't imagine one could turn into food before taking us to McDonalds or Burger King as they - to my family - was expensive restaurants as well...
Zorba wrote:Eoghan purports to understand the psychology of "Mr Average Joe". He presumes that the psychology is a very simple one and mocks it. He presumes that everyone who does not think like him thinks the same way.
I beg you pardon, but somehow you must have misunderstood me - and I think I know why - by using the term Average Joe, I was really referring to everyone on this fricking planet, because human beings are nothing but ego-centrical creatures and will inevitably do what's best for them before doing what's best for the world. This applies to everyone from the corporate manager to the homeless guy in the street, although he in my opinion has a bigger right to be egoistic than eg. Wall Street guys...
Zorba wrote:To try and suppose that we know all the right answers, and those who differ from us have a simple, "greedy" psychology is egoism. If we are really interested in doing good in the world, we have to start at the level of the individual experiences and expectations of individuals, not the authoritarian top-down "I know what is best for you because you can't think for yourself."
I agree with you to 100 % per cent.
And, ehem, no, I don't believe I have the answers on how we could best serve this planet, even if it looks like you're trying to make it sound as if this is indeed the case, meaning that I'm nothing but a spoiled, knows-it-all that I really should just shut it.