Lazar Taxon wrote:For American English, some posh affectations might include retaining a plosive [t] in words like "better" or "authority", or retaining [j] in words like "tune" or "news", or preserving /ʍ/ in words like "which".
Lazar Taxon wrote:or retaining [j] in words like "tune" or "news"
Lazar Taxon wrote:For American English, some posh affectations might include retaining a plosive [t] in words like "better" or "authority", or retaining [j] in words like "tune" or "news", or preserving /ʍ/ in words like "which".
secretGeek on CodingHorror wrote:Type inference is not a gateway drug to more dynamically typed languages.
Rather "var" is a gateway drug toward "real" type inferencing, of which var is but a tiny cigarette to the greater crack mountain!
secretGeek on CodingHorror wrote:Type inference is not a gateway drug to more dynamically typed languages.
Rather "var" is a gateway drug toward "real" type inferencing, of which var is but a tiny cigarette to the greater crack mountain!
Aleco wrote:Well, it's this simple: to be going as close to the written language as possible.
sjheiss wrote:Aleco wrote:Well, it's this simple: to be going as close to the written language as possible.
And that's one thing I don't like about Norwegian, because in English, at least where I live, our speech doesn't vary from the written language (except for the very unintelligent people.)
secretGeek on CodingHorror wrote:Type inference is not a gateway drug to more dynamically typed languages.
Rather "var" is a gateway drug toward "real" type inferencing, of which var is but a tiny cigarette to the greater crack mountain!
Lazar Taxon wrote:One possible affectation that I've noticed - and maybe Travis could help me on this one - is that some people seem to have extra labialization when they pronounce /ʃ/, which strikes me as a sort of posh speech feature. I've noticed this with the actor James Spader, for example.
secretGeek on CodingHorror wrote:Type inference is not a gateway drug to more dynamically typed languages.
Rather "var" is a gateway drug toward "real" type inferencing, of which var is but a tiny cigarette to the greater crack mountain!
Travis B. wrote:Lazar Taxon wrote:One possible affectation that I've noticed - and maybe Travis could help me on this one - is that some people seem to have extra labialization when they pronounce /ʃ/, which strikes me as a sort of posh speech feature. I've noticed this with the actor James Spader, for example.
I have not noticed such at all, but then the dialect here simply does not have labialized /ʃ/ in the first place and I have never heard of anyone here actually noticing such enough so as to actually bother "correcting" it.
Travis B. wrote:sjheiss wrote:Aleco wrote:Well, it's this simple: to be going as close to the written language as possible.
And that's one thing I don't like about Norwegian, because in English, at least where I live, our speech doesn't vary from the written language (except for the very unintelligent people.)
To be honest, this is actually something that tends to bother me subjectively a lot about many people from the non-coastal West or the Lower Midwest - they just sound too standard while speaking, as if they simply have no dialects of their own, cot-caught merger aside, to begin with. Real people just are not supposed to sound like people on TV in my mind. Of course, that really means that real people (that is, anyone who you could actually meet in Real Life) are not supposed to actually speak pure General American. Such is not any really consciously developed idea but rather a subjective bias that has come out of living my whole life in an area where practically no one actually speaks pure GA without at least some non-GA substratum influence. And mind you that that is not necessarily a bias just against people not from here, there are some people from here who get close to such, and honestly they do set off similar mental alarm bells with me.
TaylorS wrote:In my mind "posh-sounding" American English is conservative non-rhotic Northeastern speech, Franklin Roosevelt (conservative New Yorker) and the Kennedys (conservative New Englander) are good examples, as is the rich guy on "Gilligan's Island".
secretGeek on CodingHorror wrote:Type inference is not a gateway drug to more dynamically typed languages.
Rather "var" is a gateway drug toward "real" type inferencing, of which var is but a tiny cigarette to the greater crack mountain!
TaylorS wrote:Around here many people, myself included, tend to code shift between the local accent and General American, with GA usually used on the job while talking to customers and in formal situations, as well as when singing.
secretGeek on CodingHorror wrote:Type inference is not a gateway drug to more dynamically typed languages.
Rather "var" is a gateway drug toward "real" type inferencing, of which var is but a tiny cigarette to the greater crack mountain!
Travis B. wrote:sjheiss wrote:Aleco wrote:Well, it's this simple: to be going as close to the written language as possible.
And that's one thing I don't like about Norwegian, because in English, at least where I live, our speech doesn't vary from the written language (except for the very unintelligent people.)
To be honest, this is actually something that tends to bother me subjectively a lot about many people from the non-coastal West or the Lower Midwest - they just sound too standard while speaking, as if they simply have no dialects of their own, cot-caught merger aside, to begin with. Real people just are not supposed to sound like people on TV in my mind. Of course, that really means that real people (that is, anyone who you could actually meet in Real Life) are not supposed to actually speak pure General American. Such is not any really consciously developed idea but rather a subjective bias that has come out of living my whole life in an area where practically no one actually speaks pure GA without at least some non-GA substratum influence. And mind you that that is not necessarily a bias just against people not from here, there are some people from here who get close to such, and honestly they do set off similar mental alarm bells with me.
sjheiss wrote:That's what I like about where I live, we don't have dialects/accents.
I hate dialects personally, although I have nothing against accents. Come to think of it, I don't really know any dialects of English, everyone else just seems to talk funny.
secretGeek on CodingHorror wrote:Type inference is not a gateway drug to more dynamically typed languages.
Rather "var" is a gateway drug toward "real" type inferencing, of which var is but a tiny cigarette to the greater crack mountain!
sjheiss wrote:I think of a dialect as say Swabian ( even more, Boarisch), with words largely different than the standard language, like "Mir ganget" as opposed to the standard "Wir gehen" in High German, and an accent as a different pronunciation of the same word, not an entirely new word altogether.
sjheiss wrote:And why do I hate/despise dialects? I don't see why people make up new words/use different words when there already exists a perfectly fine, standard word. Oh, and people that speak dialects as opposed to the real, standard language don't seem as intelligent to me.
secretGeek on CodingHorror wrote:Type inference is not a gateway drug to more dynamically typed languages.
Rather "var" is a gateway drug toward "real" type inferencing, of which var is but a tiny cigarette to the greater crack mountain!
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