sa wulfs wrote:It varies from person to person. As for me, I need a teacher nagging me constantly in order to make progress.
Same here.
sa wulfs wrote:It varies from person to person. As for me, I need a teacher nagging me constantly in order to make progress.
Formiko wrote:You're misunderstanding me. Teaching yourself is a LOT better than a classroom setting. 4 years of University level French MAY of may not get you to a decent level. Teaching youself, learning what YOU want instead of having to keep at the pace of the professor is far superior.
Nighean-neonach does exactly what I'm referring too.
nighean-neonach wrote:Narbleh wrote:They also use conjugated nouns/verbs in the vocabulary lists
"Colloquial" also does that. Lots of "self-taught" language courses do that. That's what I meant when I said they don't really count as textbooks for me, and that I prefer the materials we use in university.
Car wrote:So far, I haven't used anything in English because what I read or heard about many series didn't sound that good, is it a matter of the language the course is written in?
nighean-neonach wrote:Partly it is, yes. German language books usually have a more academic and systematic approach anyway English ones, especially those designed for self-study, are often more similar to what we would call Sprachführer (für Touristen) here.
Car wrote:Based on what I've seen on many websites in English where they start by explaining in great detail at the beginning of a lesson what a substantive actually is, this doesn't surprise me.
nighean-neonach wrote:Germans usually do more formal grammar at school, as ours is a highly inflecting language. English speaking people only start to bother about what accusative or genitive are when the begin to learn an inflecting language... Apart from that, I get the impression that many academic language learning materials in Germany still expect people to have done some Latin.
nighean-neonach wrote:Car wrote:Based on what I've seen on many websites in English where they start by explaining in great detail at the beginning of a lesson what a substantive actually is, this doesn't surprise me.
Germans usually do more formal grammar at school, as ours is a highly inflecting language. English speaking people only start to bother about what accusative or genitive are when the begin to learn an inflecting language... Apart from that, I get the impression that many academic language learning materials in Germany still expect people to have done some Latin.
ILuvEire wrote:nighean-neonach wrote:Car wrote:Based on what I've seen on many websites in English where they start by explaining in great detail at the beginning of a lesson what a substantive actually is, this doesn't surprise me.
Germans usually do more formal grammar at school, as ours is a highly inflecting language. English speaking people only start to bother about what accusative or genitive are when the begin to learn an inflecting language... Apart from that, I get the impression that many academic language learning materials in Germany still expect people to have done some Latin.
Yes, in English we learn basic things about cases, nominative, dative, accusative, genitive in school, but most people forget it. No one actually uses this knowledge in English.
I think that our schools are really pushing grammar knowledge now. It has been largely neglected (as Spanish, the most common foreign language, doesn't use them much). Latin and German have gotten popular, which both have quite a bit of complicated grammar.
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