Stacy wrote:Reminds me of swahili a bit.
nighean-neonach wrote:Stacy wrote:Reminds me of swahili a bit.
... and of Greenlandic, although it is only affixes there, and without the animate/inanimate difference, but you have the agent+object affixes there as well, like pulaarparma = you visit me, pulaarpakkit = I visit you, pulaarpaat = they visit them, etc.
Formiko wrote:nighean-neonach wrote:Stacy wrote:Reminds me of swahili a bit.
... and of Greenlandic, although it is only affixes there, and without the animate/inanimate difference, but you have the agent+object affixes there as well, like pulaarparma = you visit me, pulaarpakkit = I visit you, pulaarpaat = they visit them, etc.
and of Klingon! (most Amerindian languages are similar..which is why Okrand chose American Indian grammars as his basis for Klingon..they are very foreign..)
Greenlandic I think is easier because at least it's regular.
And you don't have to learn the Cherokee script..most Cherokee don't know it (actually, I don't even know it that well) I use the yudit editor to write Cherokee (www.yudit.org)
Nero wrote:
As far as the most difficult language, I go with pastorant and say Cherokee. I love grammar but I could not make heads or tails of my (very indepth) Cherokee book. I've tried several times...
tlhIngan HolvaD teH. Sung Hol puS rurbej, 'a novchu' Hol.
Hol Qatlhqu' qImDI', pastorant vItlhej 'ej Qatlhqu' loD Doq Hol 'e' vIQub. pab vIparmaq 'a mumISmoHchu' (QIjqu'bogh) Hol paqwIj. pIj vInID...
Formiko wrote:Nero wrote:
As far as the most difficult language, I go with pastorant and say Cherokee. I love grammar but I could not make heads or tails of my (very indepth) Cherokee book. I've tried several times...
tlhIngan HolvaD teH. Sung Hol puS rurbej, 'a novchu' Hol.
Hol Qatlhqu' qImDI', pastorant vItlhej 'ej Qatlhqu' loD Doq Hol 'e' vIQub. pab vIparmaq 'a mumISmoHchu' (QIjqu'bogh) Hol paqwIj. pIj vInID...
You have Beginning Cherokee by Ruth Bradley Holmes, right? The truth is, Cherokee language material absolutely stinks. I might write a new system...maybe like a Pimsleur..
Nero wrote:
Yep, that's my book. I remember that you were thinking about making a new cherokee book. Do you think that you will indeed do it? It might help some of us who are uneasy with the language
HIja', paqwIj 'oH Dochvatlh 'e'. Hol Sung paq chu' DachenmoHmeH bIjatlhtaH 'e' vIqaw. vaj Daruch 'e' DaHar'a'. HollIjmo' QuchHa'ghach wIHotbogh chaq nuQaH
Quevenois wrote:I think modern Irish is very difficult, because it has a weird spelling, a pronounciation which I have to learn by heart because I never guess it from the spelling,
Actually, there are rules (but many, and exceptions). Once you've mastered them, you can pronounce almost every new word.
and some sounds I cannot reproduce,
Which ones? Here you'll here most of them (I did the recordings) http://www.phouka.com/gaelic/sounds/sounds.htm
plus the broad-slender variants between which I can not always hear the difference
I can help you with them too. All broad and slender variants are different when they are well pronounced (but in some learning recordings and stuff, the recordings are made by non-native speakers and they don't master the sounds themselves... ).
nighean-neonach wrote:Quite a large number of OI verbs are weak a-class (or whatever you want to call that), and those are quite regular... anyway, as long as you don't attempt to speak, but only to read OI, you will get far enough with some [s]guesswork[/s]... erm, intuition
90% of the verbs in any text will be forms of téit, do-icc, and as-beir anyway, apart from copula and substantive verb forms of course, and yes, those are evil.
Formiko wrote:This is why Cherokee (and most NDN languages are complex)
Let's say we have a verb "to tie up"
ᎠᎸᎢᎭ a'lv'íha
You have about 500 combinations, like so:
ᎬᏯᎸᎢᎭ gvyalv'iha I tie you up
ᏕᎬᏯᎸᎢᎭ degvyalviha I'm tying you up
ᏥᏯᎸᎢᎭ jiyalv'ha I tie him up
ᎦᎸᎢᎭ I tie it
ᏍᏓᏯᎸᎢᎭ sdayalv'iha I tie you (dual)
ᎢᏨᏯᎢᎭ ijvyalv'iha I tie you (pl)
ᎦᏥᏯᎸᎢᎭ gajiyalv'iha I tie them (animate)
ᏕᎦᎸᎢᎭ I tie them up (inamimate)
ᏍᏆᎸᎢᎭ squahlv'iha You tie me
ᎯᏯᎸᎢᎭ hiyalv'iha you're tying him
ᎭᏢᎢᎭ hatlv'iha you tie it
ᏍᎩᎾᎸᎢᎭ skinalv'iha you're tying me and him
...
...
ᎪᎩᎾᏢᎢᎭ goginatlv'iha they tie me and him
Ennys wrote:The most evil thing to me are prototonic forms of verbs, like as-beir vs. ni epir, because I never remember what verb they came from..
Ennys wrote:Are you also having this weird compulsion to pronounce modern Irish tabair, for example, as 'tabhair', because you're used to lenite a consonant between two vowels?
Ennys wrote:Are you also having this weird compulsion to pronounce modern Irish tabair, for example, as 'tabhair', because you're used to lenite a consonant between two vowels?
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