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Re: hey, I want to learn Shqip

Postby Keystone » 2012-12-24, 15:55

KarlDerKaefer wrote:I'm also trying to learn Albanian right now... with the goal of moving down there for at least a couple of months. However, I'm still in the very basic stage of the language but improving faster than I thought. Probably that's due to my knowledge of Spanish, but when I was there I couldn't even say basic stuff such as "faleminderit" or "miremengjes" for the first couple of days and it sounded sooo much more complicated than other languages :oops:

I've been living in Tirana for the past few months and have a good understanding of Albanian grammar, so if the grammar is confusing you just hit me up and I can help. My vocab index is still quite basic but I'm going to start reading/analyzing some Albanian novels to improve in that sector. It's a very unique language and I've been having fun trying to learn it.
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Re: How do Albanian Muslims refer to the Muslim world?

Postby johnklepac » 2013-04-14, 16:10

I doubt it. That seems like a cultural construction, one that probably also isn't present in Central Asian Muslim countries. I would just say "Muslim countries" or "Muslim world" to be safe.

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Re: Albanian

Postby Keystone » 2013-05-19, 22:49

Unfortunately it seems Albanian has lost its forum. I'm still learning the language - anyone else?

I've lately been working on vocab and reading comprehension, mainly just reading news articles and jotting down words I'm not familiar with.
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Re: Albanian

Postby KarlDerKaefer » 2013-05-20, 6:15

hello Keystone,

I'm basically also still learning Albanian. I have just put it a bit on a hold, as it is really a minor language and I need some other stuff more urgently. And it is sooo depressing to find enough interesting material for the language :(

Any ideas?

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Re: Albanian

Postby księżycowy » 2013-05-29, 20:25

I'm not learning it currently, but I fully intend to soon.

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Re: Albanian

Postby Lauren » 2013-05-29, 21:30

księżycowy wrote:I'm not learning it currently, but I fully intend to soon.

You say that about every language. :P
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Re: Albanian

Postby księżycowy » 2013-05-29, 23:46

Yes. I admit earlier in my "career" I through that out quite a bit. I try to be more careful nowadays.

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Re: Albanian

Postby gothwolf » 2013-06-19, 19:48

Do të shkoj në Shqipri në verë. Jam shumë i lumtur! :)

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Re: Albanian

Postby Keystone » 2013-07-05, 22:04

gothwolf wrote:Do të shkoj në Shqipri në verë. Jam shumë i lumtur! :)


Shumë e mirë. Do të shkon si turist ose për puna?
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Re: Albanian

Postby gothwolf » 2013-07-06, 10:44

Do të kaloj dy javë në Shkodër ku do të punoj si vollunetar me fëmijë me aftësi të kufizuara. Pastaj do të udhëtoj nëpër Shqipëri si turist. :)

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Re: Albanian

Postby Keystone » 2013-09-12, 21:13

gothwolf wrote:Do të kaloj dy javë në Shkodër ku do të punoj si vollunetar me fëmijë me aftësi të kufizuara. Pastaj do të udhëtoj nëpër Shqipëri si turist. :)


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Re: Albanian

Postby KarlDerKaefer » 2014-04-03, 9:00

Are there any new details concerning "Discovering Albanian 2"? Will they actually publish it and when? And is there any other new material for Albanian available? It is so hard to find sufficient and reasonably good material for the language :(

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Re: Albanian

Postby cHr0mChIk » 2015-10-20, 11:48

Tungjatjeta.

I have a question regarding the pronunciation of the Albanian language. More specifically, letters "Gj" "Q", "L", "Ll", "R" and "Rr".

What is the proper way of pronouncing them? Regarding the "Gj" and "Q", if you are familiar with other Balkan languages, are they pronounced as Macedonian "Ѓ" [Ǵ] and "Ќ" [Ḱ], or as Serbian "Ђ" [Đ] and "Ћ" [Ć]? In Macedonian, they are palatalized "G" and "K" (/ɟ/ and /c/), while in Serbian, they are palatalized "D" and "C" [or "T"] (/dʑ/ and /tɕ/)?

It's written almost everywhere that they are pronounced as in Macedonian. However, when I hear spoken Albanian, they sound exactly the same as in Serbian (my native language).


Now, for the "L" and "Ll", there are 2 versions of their pronunciation that I know. Which one is correct?

1.The first one is, that the "L" is "Љ" [Lj] /ʎ/, and that "Ll" is "Л" [L] /l/. In this version "Ll" is normal L, but "L" is harder.
2.However, in the second variant, "L" is "Л" [L] /l/, and "Ll" is "Ӆ" [Ł] /ɫ/. Here, "L" is the normal L, but "Ll" is softer. Which variant is proper?

Same situation is also with "R" and "Rr". I also know 2 variants.

1.First one: "R" is a "R" like in English /ɹ/, and "Rr" is an alveolar tap/flap /ɾ/. Like in, for example, Sr/Mk, Italian, ...
2.While, in the second version, that normal R like in Sr, Mk, It,... is actually "R" /ɾ/, while "Rr" is an alveolar thrill /r/, like in Spanish "buRRito."

- Can you tell me what is the correct way of pronouncing these letters?
Hopefully someone can help me.
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وَقَالُوا لَن يَدْخُلَ الْجَنَّةَ إِلَّا مَن كَانَ هُودًا أَوْ نَصَارَىٰ ۗ تِلْكَ أَمَانِيُّهُمْ ۗ قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ
بَلَىٰ مَنْ أَسْلَمَ وَجْهَهُ لِلَّهِ وَهُوَ مُحْسِنٌ فَلَهُ أَجْرُهُ عِندَ رَبِّهِ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

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Re: Albanian

Postby Koko » 2015-10-21, 23:44

Gj and Q are pronounced as in Macedonian. They may be given slight or heavy frication, which will sound like [d͡ʑ] and [t͡ɕ] respectively. But gj [ɟ(ʝ)] and q is [c(ç)].

L is light [l], and Ll is dark [l̴].

R is [ɾ] (not sure if [ɹ] is possible :hmm: ), Rr should be [r].

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Re: Albanian

Postby Arbnor » 2015-12-19, 15:15

Below you will be able to hear how the letters are pronounced:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCv8fI2BSJE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny5CNCZY7ls

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Re: Albanian

Postby cHr0mChIk » 2015-12-20, 4:50

Exactly... Listen to the first video, how he says the word "shkronja". He says it as: /ʃkɹɔɲa/, and then at 19:31, he says "shkronja R" and pronounces it as clean /ɹ/, and even later, he says /ɹɔbɔti/. Same thing goes for the second video, at 5:57...

That's exactly the problem I have. Everybody says it's pronounced as /ɾ/, while it's actually pronounced as /ɹ/. Listen to the audio examples:
/ɾ/ = https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ar_tap.ogg
/ɹ/ = https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ximant.ogg

Same for the other letters. You say that "Gj" is /ɟ/, while it's actually /dʑ/.
/ɟ/ = https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... losive.ogg
/dʑ/ = https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ricate.ogg

Also, "Q" isn't /c/, but /tɕ/:
/c/ = https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... losive.ogg
/tɕ/ = https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... ricate.ogg

- Listen to these audio examples and tell me which one sounds more like the way you say the letter. :)
وَقَالُوا لَن يَدْخُلَ الْجَنَّةَ إِلَّا مَن كَانَ هُودًا أَوْ نَصَارَىٰ ۗ تِلْكَ أَمَانِيُّهُمْ ۗ قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ
بَلَىٰ مَنْ أَسْلَمَ وَجْهَهُ لِلَّهِ وَهُوَ مُحْسِنٌ فَلَهُ أَجْرُهُ عِندَ رَبِّهِ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

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Re: Albanian

Postby Kira-Akira » 2016-01-15, 18:44

Can anyone translate these two albanian songs? I know only that the first one is from Kosovo and the second one from Albania.

I'm especially interested in Kosovo dialect. How do Kosovo Albanian differ from Standard Albanian?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SThccWxY184

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6BzRYVD-a8

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Re: Albanian

Postby cHr0mChIk » 2016-01-15, 20:59

Someone has translated the second song on this site:
http://lyricstranslate.com/en/urat-e-je ... -life.html

And, as for the first song, it's also on the site, but nobody has made a translation yet:
http://lyricstranslate.com/en/mc-kresha-era-lyrics.html

Let's hope someone translates it soon. I think guests can make requests too, so, you can make a request for someone to translate it, and wait for someone to respond. :)


And, as for the difference between Albanian dialects, until someone who's more familiar with Albanian than me replies, check this out:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albanian_dialects
وَقَالُوا لَن يَدْخُلَ الْجَنَّةَ إِلَّا مَن كَانَ هُودًا أَوْ نَصَارَىٰ ۗ تِلْكَ أَمَانِيُّهُمْ ۗ قُلْ هَاتُوا بُرْهَانَكُمْ إِن كُنتُمْ صَادِقِينَ
بَلَىٰ مَنْ أَسْلَمَ وَجْهَهُ لِلَّهِ وَهُوَ مُحْسِنٌ فَلَهُ أَجْرُهُ عِندَ رَبِّهِ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

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Re: Albanian

Postby Kira-Akira » 2016-01-15, 21:05

Thank you cHr0mChIk.

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Re: Albanian

Postby Arbnor » 2016-01-16, 13:58

@ kira-akira

The first song is in Kosovo Albanian (only the refrein is in Standard Albanian):

your smile and your voice come to me by wind
your eyesight and your lips get enlighted to me by spring (2)
walking slow around sky like a fairy
i hear your name in the wind , i think i see you

something that gets broken
and when it get sticked again is noted
the say wine speaks the truth
people usualy express themselves when they are drunk
tomorrow when i open my door all problems come back
and you walk away like dream and i follow you with wind
with the hope that i will touch you i try again and again
but wasting and this time 'cause noone says a thing for us
as long as we were happy people's mouth never stopped
and now we go around lost like it never had a value
daaamn how much i miss you
i want to kiss your forehead
i beg you to come back
i wanna be with you from second to first
forget gold , royal life ,trips and julius caesar
they are surreal like you my fairy
no apology , after break up tears fall and drain
this decision making gives me strength to accept fault
i want to win the weight 'cause i cant feel my hand holdin it
when you hear my voice i know you are gonna cry

your smile and your voice come to me by wind
your eyesight and your lips get enlighted to me by spring(2)
walking slow around sky like a fairy
i hear your name in the wind , i think i see you

lost is bitterly when 2 realted persons break up
at the end i know a break up come like silence without sounds
and im convinced that perfect we are not born
but to improve and feel, not without reasons
now its fashion , lets break up , or whatever
a not important conversation , i'm drinkin a lot
i know that you are far but i can hear you too much
loneliness is eating me inside when i know that you ain't mine
wounds at the end cure and whats left are just scars
fire , my heart is getting grilled
just like shingle , alive or dead we end
like a fairytale with angels and demos , the situation is really bad
i cant take on my self to face the truth
memories get lost , these i have decided to keep em on the paper
my heart is frozen its getting colder and im thirsty
when i see your silhouette you get my smile back

your smile and your voice come to me by wind
your eyesight and your lips get enlighted to me by spring(2)
walking slow around sky like a fairy
i hear your name in the wind , i think i see you


Kosovo Albanian speak eastern varieties of the northern Gheg dialect.

Example:

Kosovo Albanian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R620mFGhsUo

Standard Albanian

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiSstHUBt_8


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