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Amaqqut wrote:

noir wrote:Thank you for this posting, it indeed is interesting.. but I'm not sure if it makes much sense to compare Ainu with Basque? There is a Japanese linguist called Suzuko Tamura (田村すず子) who is a specialist in both Ainu and Basque, but I doubt she made much progress in exploring their relationships. (At least nothing in her bibliography)

Yes, but i see some they said Ainu are really weak comparison with Basque and
Inuit comparison Basque too even Japanese/Korean

Inuit/Yupik and Aleut related Uralic-Altaic, but i noticed my native inuit is very closely Japanese, Ainu and Korean than Uralic-Altaic

I read the books Inuit originally from Japan in some 12 thousand years ago. and Ainu more resembled Inuit's throat singing than Mongolian/Tuvan

I saw your profile you native Korean? cool now you founded out Inuit comparison with Korean? i will show you other times but one thing if im right the word 'heavy snow' is Pokseoul' as Inuit 'Piqsiq' means 'heavy snow/blizzard'

eh?

Well, in all honesty I don't even believe in Ural-Altaic. I don't even think "Altaic" is tenable, and I find it hard to believe there is a genetic relationship between Ainu, Korean and Japanese. None, I see all three as language isolates.

The word Pokseol is "heavy snow" indeed, but this is a Sino-Korean loanword - 暴雪 bao4 xue3 in Mandarin.

noir wrote:

Amaqqut wrote:

noir wrote:Thank you for this posting, it indeed is interesting.. but I'm not sure if it makes much sense to compare Ainu with Basque? There is a Japanese linguist called Suzuko Tamura (田村すず子) who is a specialist in both Ainu and Basque, but I doubt she made much progress in exploring their relationships. (At least nothing in her bibliography)

Yes, but i see some they said Ainu are really weak comparison with Basque and
Inuit comparison Basque too even Japanese/Korean

Inuit/Yupik and Aleut related Uralic-Altaic, but i noticed my native inuit is very closely Japanese, Ainu and Korean than Uralic-Altaic

I read the books Inuit originally from Japan in some 12 thousand years ago. and Ainu more resembled Inuit's throat singing than Mongolian/Tuvan

I saw your profile you native Korean? cool now you founded out Inuit comparison with Korean? i will show you other times but one thing if im right the word 'heavy snow' is Pokseoul' as Inuit 'Piqsiq' means 'heavy snow/blizzard'

eh?

Well, in all honesty I don't even believe in Ural-Altaic. I don't even think "Altaic" is tenable, and I find it hard to believe there is a genetic relationship between Ainu, Korean and Japanese. None, I see all three as language isolates.

The word Pokseol is "heavy snow" indeed, but this is a Sino-Korean loanword - 暴雪 bao4 xue3 in Mandarin.

Of course this true. Also Eskimo-Aleut ve been isolated in North American none related at all in american languages.

Ooh my mistaken i know Sino-Korean and Sino-Japanese loanword from the CHinese word

How is the name Nicholas in Ainu ?, with Ainu alphabet . Thank you very much

Ainu uses Katakana. Go to WikiPedia or Omniglot and look it up yourself.

Dude, what's the point of these topics? Look up Ainu. Look up katakana. Put two and two together.

Your name would be the symbols "ni-ko-ra-s" (Ainu has -s doesn't it?)

ILuvEire wrote:(Ainu has -s doesn't it?)

Correct.

Unfortunately I don't know katakana :p

ニコラッ in Ainu, ニコラ－ス in Japanese (I think I put the right long vowel).

Caspita! Trappy, la tua ainu e MOLTA buona!

Hello trapy, sorry this took a while, I haven't had much time for Ainu recently. I hope it's not too late.

This is what I found in an Ainu-Japanese dictionary:

hokure - Faster, hurry up
tunas'no - Faster, please hurry (Seems to be a more polite version of the above)
i'rapok'kari - Idiot
siwnin - Green
These three words came up for 'why', I'm not quite sure of the difference between them.
makani - Whereas this is the word 'why' to be used in sentences
makanak'ne - Same

From the translated course on Unilang:
nep kusu - for what, why

Lesson 15: Weather talk (2)

Text

ア_プト　ア_シ
apto as
Rain falls.

タント　ア_プト　ア_シ
tanto apto as
Today rain falls.

ウパ_シ　ア_シ
upas as
Snow falls.

タント　ウパ_シ　ア_シ
tanto upas as
Today snow falls.

Vocabulary

ア_プト - apto - Rain
ア_シ - as - To fall (rain, snow); to blow (wind); to stand up; to stop, stand still; (a door) closes
ウパ_シ - upas - Snow

So here’s the thing, I’m in college presently studying in art. For one of my courses I have to make an art project which is socially involved. Being a language freak, I chose as a subject to treat about endangered languages and cultures.

Now, for my project I wanted to include sentences in as many of these dying languages as possible. Therefore, I would greatly appreciate it if anyone of you could give me a meaningful sentence in Ainu or any other endangered or newly revived language.
More precisely, I’m looking for a sentence that reflects the identity of the endangered language and/or people. It could be a saying in the threatened language, a nationalistic slogan, or simply a made up sentence which summarizes well the idea that all humans are equal and have the right to be. For example, in Gaeilge (Irish):
‘Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam’ (a country without a language is a country without a soul)

Also, please write in the script which is usual for the language.

I’ll take the time to mention as well that I do not want any hateful messages or slogans. I believe hate does not solve any problems, it only generates more destruction. Hence, I trust your input on this matter.

By the way, I have posted this message at a few other places on Unilang. I want to get the most languages included in the project as possible.

Thank you very much for your kind help!

Why don't you post this in the translation forum with a list of languages you want it in?

Hi!


I have recently been trying to get as much information as I can regarding Ainu, so please bear with me...


For one thing, I was wondering if there are any good sources for the kind of terms or phrases one might use in Aynuitak, when it came to romance or courtship?


For example, do they have a similar scale in their terms of expression that one finds in Japanese (suki>daisuki>aishiteru) when it comes to like/really like/love in Ainu?

What about romantic expressions - are there any well-known poetic turns of phrase, or terms of endearment, which can be found?

(Another example - is there an equivalent of the Japanese kimi no kodoku wo wakete hoshii, and would one ever hear anyone use it?)


Oh, and as an aside, is there a way to compile the lessons from the online beginner's guide into a downloadable pdf?


Thanks for your time.

Apologies everyone for the delay. Updates will probably be infrequent but I'll try to keep them coming.

Lesson 16: Weather talk (3)

Text

レラ　ア_シ
rera as
Wind blows.

タント　レラ　ア_シ
tanto rera as
Today wind blows.

レラ　アン
rera an
It is windy.

タント　レラ　アン
tanto rera an
It's windy today.

レラルイ
rera-ruy
Wind is strong.

タント　レラルイ
tanto rera-ruy
Today wind is strong.

Vocabulary

レラ - rera - Wind
ルイ - ruy - Strong, many

Notes by Shigeru Kasano

In weather expression such as ニックル　アン (It's cloudy), and レラ　アン (It's windy), we use アン (it is, there are).
For storms and stormy weather we say ルヤンペ.　
ルヤンペ　ド_ム　タ　エ　エク？
means 'Did you come in the middle of all the rain?'.

Lesson 17: Weather talk (4)

シ_リセセ_ク
sir-sesek
It's hot.

タント　シ_リセセク
tanto sir-sesek
Today it's hot.

シ_リポ_プケ
sir-popke
It's warm.

タント　シ_リポ_プケ
tanto sir-popke
Today it's warm.

Vocabulary

セセ_ク - sesek - Hot
ポ_プケ - popke - Warm

Notes by Shigeru Kasano

シ_リセセ_ク meaning 'it's hot', and シ_リポ_プケ meaning 'it's warm', are used when talking about the weather.
When you feel hot you say ク・セセ_ク　フミ, and ク・ポ_プケ　フミ when you feel warm.

Lesson 18: Weather talk (5)

Dialogue

メアン
me-an
It's cold.

タント　メアン
tanto me-an
Today it's cold.

シ_リメマン
sir-meman
It's cool.

タントシ_リメマン
tanto sir-meman
Today it's cool.

Vocabulary

メアン - me-an - Cold

メマン - meman - Cool

Notes by Shigeru Kasano

マアン meaning 'it's cold', and シ_リメマン meaning 'it's cool', are words used when talking about the weather.
When you feel cold you say ク・メライケ　フミ, and ク・メマン　フミ when you feel cool.

I realised the other dya that I have forgotten ~50% of my Ainu (I only had ~100 words to begin with). I still think this is phonetically one of the more beautiful languages. Anyone else still interested in this language and want to learn together?

Trapy wrote:I realised the other dya that I have forgotten ~50% of my Ainu (I only had ~100 words to begin with). I still think this is phonetically one of the more beautiful languages. Anyone else still interested in this language and want to learn together?

I still am. I'm working with a book called "カムイユカラでアイヌ語を学ぶ" (Learning Ainu with Kamui Yukars), which is oriented to give a basic understanding of the classical/epic forms of Ainu to enable the learner to actually chant it. I love it.

Thanks, very good vocabulary list! I continued and translated the next part.
It also contains some useful slang words.

2. About Daily Life, General Terms - 生活、一般について (35)

ホペチナア	hopecinaa	to sit with the knees up
ア	a	to sit
モウㇽ	mour	underwear
イシㇼクラン	isirkuran	Oh dear! (expression of surprise)
ウㇽキ	urki	louse
タィキ	tayki	flea
サカンケ	sakanke	to air, dry
タンタ	tanta	here
トオン	toon	that
トオンペ	toonpe	that person
ペ	pe	person
チキㇼ	cikir	leg, foot
ウェン	wen	bad, evil
タアン	taan	this
タアンペ	taanpe	this person
ト	to	breast, nipple
オソㇿ	osor	buttocks
オㇱマケヘメスㇷ	osmakehemesup	mentally retarded
イヨイタㇰ	iyoitak	curse, spell
ホラㇰ	horak	to collapse
ホリㇷ゚パ	horippa	ritual to dispel demons and to summon gods
セㇺ	sem	storage room in the house entrance
オッタ	otta	inside, among
トランネ	toranne	to be idle, lazy
トランネㇷ゚	torannep	lazy person (insult)
ウェントランネㇷ゚	wentorannep	bad, lazy person (insult)
トランネカムィ	torannekamuy	lazy person (insult)
ウェントランネカムィ	wentorannekamuy	bad, lazy person (insult)
ニッネカムィ	nitnekamuy	evil god (insult)
ニッネ	nitne	tough, bad, evil
カムィ	kamuy	god
モㇱマノアン	mosmanoan	Don't worry! Don't mind!
サマㇺペ	samampe	vagina (slang), flat fish
タスㇺ	tasum	illness, disease
ラパㇷ゚セ	rapapse	to fall down (noisy)