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Re: Sapporo TV Ainu lessons

Postby Pauro » 2008-10-26, 20:59

Hi Noir!
I just realized you're Korean and hopefully could help me.
I need to translate a tourist slogan:
"Fall in love with Korea!
Do you think this phrase makes sense in Korean?:
한국과 사랑에 빠지세요.

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Re: Sapporo TV Ainu lessons

Postby Karavinka » 2008-10-26, 21:06

Pauro wrote:Hi Noir!
I just realized you're Korean and hopefully could help me.
I need to translate a tourist slogan:
"Fall in love with Korea!
Do you think this phrase makes sense in Korean?:
한국과 사랑에 빠지세요.

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Re: Corrections in Ainu for Beginners

Postby unzum » 2008-10-27, 0:09

Lesson 9 - Sentences, note 2
2. ヌカル nukar may be written and pronounced as ヌカラ nukara as well.

Should be:
2. ヌカ nukar may be written and pronounced as ヌカラ nukara as well.

Lesson 9 - Grammar
It can also be ~コル アン ~kor an or its shorter form ~コラン ~koran depending on the dialect.

Should be:
It can also be ~コ アン ~kor an or its shorter form ~コラン ~koran depending on the dialect
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Re: Corrections in Ainu for Beginners

Postby Karavinka » 2008-10-27, 1:01

unzum wrote:Lesson 9 - Sentences, note 2
2. ヌカル nukar may be written and pronounced as ヌカラ nukara as well.

Should be:
2. ヌカ nukar may be written and pronounced as ヌカラ nukara as well.

Lesson 9 - Grammar
It can also be ~コル アン ~kor an or its shorter form ~コラン ~koran depending on the dialect.

Should be:
It can also be ~コ アン ~kor an or its shorter form ~コラン ~koran depending on the dialect


Confirmed.
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Flag - and congrats!

Postby Aleco » 2008-10-28, 7:23

Congrats with the new forum! I just noticed that the Norwegian forum suddenly wasn't at the bottom anymore :P And now to the flag, isn't this the one? http://images.google.no/images?client=f ... a=N&tab=wi

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Postby ILuvEire » 2008-10-28, 7:52

Yep, that's the flag!
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Re: Flag - and congrats!

Postby Supreemio » 2008-10-28, 10:51

Can we have a Cornish forum now? :x

(Congrats on the Ainu forum!)

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Re: Flag - and congrats!

Postby kalemiye » 2008-10-28, 13:18

Yeah, congratulations. The work Noir and other people have made to put the material together is GREAT.
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Re: Flag - and congrats!

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yay! no more claustrophobia and cross forum threads, one place for 'em all :D
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Re: Flag - and congrats!

Postby Smitty » 2008-10-28, 17:31

Congratulations to the new Ainu forum. The learning materials that Noir and other contributors is just wonderful. :mrgreen:

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HOORAY :D
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Ainu Basic Vocabulary

Postby Karavinka » 2008-10-28, 18:52

Welcome to the new forum, and welcome to the new resources!
This is from Shiraoi Ainu Basic Vocabulary.

Preface to the original:

ここに、載せたアイヌ語は、白老アイヌ語教室の中で野本講師、松永講師の方々が話してくれたものを、白老アイヌ語教室の受講生のために、1995年3月に岡田講師がまとめたものです。よって、白老で使われるアイヌ語を、系統立てて記録したものではありませんし、伝承されているアイヌ語のすべてでもないことを前もって断っておきます。

The Ainu words found here come from the two instructors in Shiraoi Ainu Language Class, Nomoto and Matsunaga, who prepared these words for the use of the students in Shiraoi Ainu Language Class. In March 1995, the instructor Okada revised this list. This is not a topological record of the Ainu language as it is used in Shiraoi per se, nor this is all that there is about Ainu which came down to us.


From Noir:
From what I noticed from the Index, the list contains about 650 basic words which are topically divided. Some topics overlap, and hence the words as well. They vary greatly in length, so you might want to keep that in mind: Topic 1 has seven words, while Topic 28 has 141. I intend to crosslink the Japanese original, for the use of those who do read Japanese. (I can't promise that I would do this on a regular basis, but will try to get on it as often as possible.)

1. About Home (7)
1. 家庭について
チセ cise house/home
プライ puray window
ロウンプライ rounpuray window on the east
イトムンプライ itomunpuray window on the south
ポンプライ ponpuray small window (on the south)
シンタナ sintana cupboard


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Re: Flag - and congrats!

Postby ILuvEire » 2008-10-28, 22:29

I've been thinking: this will probably be the best minority language forum. Mainly because active users are doing the courses, and active users are following them. Lakota seemed to peter out, Nahuatl has next to nothing. (Those are the only two minority boards I have looked at).
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Re: Flag - and congrats!

Postby neoni » 2008-10-29, 10:15

ILuvEire wrote:I've been thinking: this will probably be the best minority language forum. Mainly because active users are doing the courses, and active users are following them. Lakota seemed to peter out, Nahuatl has next to nothing. (Those are the only two minority boards I have looked at).


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Re: Corrections in Ainu for Beginners

Postby proycon » 2008-10-29, 10:29

Thanks, I fixed the errors again.

By the way, I see this topic was moved into the new Ainu forum, feel free to poke me if there are new corrections and I don't see it.
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Ainu links

Postby unzum » 2008-10-29, 18:23

I maintain a page of Ainu links on my website but I'll reproduce it here as an easy guide for anyone interested in Ainu. Feel free to post any other links you find and I'll add them to this post.

So you want to learn a language: Ainu - Original list hosted on my website.

Essays

Wikipedia Ainu
- Info on the relationship of Ainu to other languages, phonology, grammar, script and speakers.
Omniglot Ainu
- Info on the language, pronunciation, scripts and links.
The Ainu Language
- A nice essay considering different hypotheses on the origin of the Ainu language.
ことば by 中川裕, 1993
- Several essays on Ainu speakers, its relation to Japanese, basic features and its current state. English translation here.
The Contemporary Condition of Ainu Language by A. Akulov
- A long, if rather negative essay about Ainu speakers in Hokkaido and what can be done to revive the language.
The Study of the Ainu Language by T. Sato, 2006
- A linguistic paper on the basic features of Ainu and 'glide insertion'.
日本古代史とアイヌ語 Also available in English
- Several essays on the origin of the Ainu people and language.
The Relationship between Basque & Ainu by E. Nyland
- A controversial theory on the origin's of Ainu.
L'ONU Only available in French
- Article about Ainu culture and the efforts to revive Ainu.
Endangered Languages in Northeast Asia
- Concise report on Ainu and its dialects.
Masterliness: Ainu Language
- Some basic info on Ainu speakers, phonology and writing.

Courses

Ainu for Beginners by Kane Kumagi, translated by Yongdeok Cho
- A 52 lesson English translation of the 2006 STV Ainu lessons, with exercises, vocab, pronunciation help, grammar guides etc. Fantastic cource. The audio for the lessons (in Japanese) are indexed on this site here.
STV Ainu Only available in Japanese
- 12 different courses with full audio and 50 lessons each are available. An amazing resource.
アイヌ語教室 & アイヌ語教室2000 Only available in Japanese
- 2 courses with several lessons and exercises teaching common Ainu phrases.

Websites

Literature and Materials of Ainu Language for Learners Available in English and Japanese
- A list of books, audio materials, dictionaries for Ainu learners.
初心者のためにアイヌ語文法解説 Only available in Japanese
- A nice page that explains basic Ainu grammar; verbs, word order, accents, nouns, particles etc. More pages here.
Ainu-English wordlist
- A small wordlist taken from the book 'The languages of Japan' by Masayoshi Shibatani.
アイヌ神謡集 Available in Japanese & Esperanto
- Some info on Ainu sentences and phrases as well as Ainu stories with parallel translation.
The Ainu, their Land & Culture
- A collection of links about the Ainu people, culture, language, geography & books.
Aynu Mosiri Only available in Russian
- Several short pdf files on Ainu grammar, history, typologyand a possible ancient writing system.
白老のアイヌ語単語集 Only available in Japanese
- A large collection of vocabulary arranged by topic. The same collection is also available alphabetically here.
アイヌ文化のページ Only available in Japanese
- A collection of vocab arranged by topics, and a list of vocab spoken by women only.
Entrance to Ainu World Also available in Japanese
- Lots of sentences with audio on different topics. Also several lists of vocab with some audio. Note: Site only available in Internet Archive.

E-books

An Ainu-English Dictionary with Grammar by J. Batchelor, 1905
Ainu Grammar by J. Batchelor, 1905
- A very early grammar and dictionary which may contain errors. Caution advised. A short article on the author's life is here.
アイヌ語研修テキスト by MURASAKI. K., 1998 (no. A725)
- Complimentary copies are sometimes available from the university if you e-mail them.
アイヌ語電子辞書
- An Ainu-Japanese dictionary with 7,700 entries. Use it like a paper dictionary, as searching is difficult. Romanised Ainu only.

Authentic Materials

Tuytah Only available in Japanese
- Recordings of Ainu stories with transcription and translation in Japanese. An explanation of the stories in English is also available.
物語アーカイブ Only available in Japanese
- Recordings of stories in Ainu with a Japanese summary.

Blogs

Rebecca's Weblog
- The blog of a linguistics student stationed in Hokkaido, there are a few posts relating to Ainu.

Forums

Unilang Ainu (here!)
- New forum for English speakers, with instructional content and help readily available.
アイヌ語について Only available in Japanese
- A helpful forum for beginning students of Ainu with loads of posts.
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Intermediate Ainu 10 Question words (2)

Postby unzum » 2008-10-29, 18:59

Sapporo TV Ainu Radio Lessons
STVアイヌ語ラジオ講座

Broadcast on June 8th 2003

Lesson 10: Question Words (2) Who?

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トアンク  フンナ  アン?
toan-kur   hunna   an?
Who's that person?

トアンク  アナネ  コタンコ   ネ
toan-kur  anakne  kotan-kor-kur  ne
That person is a village headman.

トアンク  アナネ  サパネク   ネ
toan-kur  anakne   sapa-ne-kur  ne
That person is a chief (boss, leader).

トアンク  アナネ  イソンク  ネ
toan-kur  anakne  ison-kur  ne
That person is an expert hunter.

トアンク  アナネ  フレシサ   ネ
toan-kur  anakne   hure-sisam  ne
That person is a foreigner.

トアンク  アナネ  アテルイ    ネ
toan-kur  anakne  ATERUY  ne
That person is Ateruy (Ateruy is the person's name).

Explanations

When asking about someone when that person is faraway you would say:

アイヌエ、コ アンフナク ク ネヤー ?
aynu-ek, kor anfunakur kur eya
That person coming from over there, where does that person come from?

When using フンナアン hunna an ('who'), you could ask who someone is in two ways:

 イキク フンナ ネア ?
Tap ikikur hunna nea?
Who's that person who came now?

 アパク、フンナ ネア
tap arpakur hunna nea?
Who's that person who went now?

Vocabulary

トアンクtoan-kur – That person
フンナ – hunna – Who
サパネクsapa-ne-kur – Chief, boss, leader
イソンクison-kur – Hunting master
フレシサhure-sisam - Foreigner
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Intermediate Ainu 11 Question Words (3)

Postby unzum » 2008-10-29, 19:03

Sapporo TV Ainu Radio Lessons
STVアイヌ語ラジオ講座

Broadcast on June 15th 2003

Lesson 11: Question Words (3) From Where?

Text

フナ  ワ  エ・エ
hunak wa  e=ek?
Where did you come from? (casual)

ヌプペッ  ワ  ケ(ク・エ
NUPURPET wa  kek(ku=ek)
I came from Noboribetsu (a place in Hokkaido).

クスリ  ワ  ケ(ク・エ
KUSURI wa  kek(ku=ek)
I came from Kuroshi.

トマ  ワ  ケ(ク・エ
TOMAM wa kek(ku=ek)
I came from Tomamu in Shimukappu.

ムペッ  ワ  ケ(ク・エ
MUPET wa  kek(ku=ek)
I came from Mukawa.

シコッ  ワ  ケ(ク・エ
SIKOT wa  kek(ku=ek)
I came from Chitose.

Explanations

Sarugawa (the Sawa river in Hokkaido) used to be called シシリムカ si-siri-muka in Ainu.
si meaning 'truly'.
シリ siri meaning 'on the bank'
mu meaning 'to close in' (i.e. a river running close to a village)
ka meaning 'to cause'
When there's a lot of rainfall in the upper part of the stream, the water flow increase and the river flows haphazardly to the south and to the west, and "the river which really closes in" is the original name for Saru.

Mukawa river runs parallel to Saru on the west, flowing into the Pacific, and it also flows to the south and to the west.
Mukawa is called ムペッ mupet in Ainu.
mu meaning 'to close in '
ペッ pet meaning 'river'

mu can also be used to refer to pipes and tobacco pipes being blocked/packed full.

Vocabulary

フナhunak - Where
- ek – To come

Edit: Thanks noir for providing the translation in the explanation section of this lesson!
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Re: Flag - and congrats!

Postby ILuvEire » 2008-10-29, 22:26

neoni wrote:
ILuvEire wrote:I've been thinking: this will probably be the best minority language forum. Mainly because active users are doing the courses, and active users are following them. Lakota seemed to peter out, Nahuatl has next to nothing. (Those are the only two minority boards I have looked at).


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Oh, I didn't know the Celtic languages were a minority language.
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Re: Flag - and congrats!

Postby Supreemio » 2008-10-29, 22:40

Every Celtic language is a minority language.


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