Bân-lâm-gú (Min Nan)

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Bân-lâm-gú (Min Nan)

Postby ruusukaali » 2010-08-05, 2:46

I've grown quite infatuated with this language due to its cute romanization and non-mutual intelligibility with Mandarin. I'm not having any luck finding sources online to even dabble in it, though.

There's a lot of vocabulary up at wiktionary:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Min_Nan_language

But I don't really know if all that information is credible, because according to wiktionary, "eight" can be either "peh", "poeh" or "pat", but according to wikitravel (http://wikitravel.org/en/Minnan_phrasebook), eight is "bpui".

Anyone played around with this language before?
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Re: Bân-lâm-gú (Min Nan)

Postby Formiko » 2010-08-05, 5:37

ruusukaali wrote:Anyone played around with this language before?


I have. I actually wrote a dictionary and phrasebook when I was 15. (My Chinese tutor spoke it, but I know it as Hokkien.)
8 is pwe' or pat
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Re: Bân-lâm-gú (Min Nan)

Postby ILuvEire » 2010-08-05, 7:24

Played around with, currently playing, guilty! I'm placing most of my emphasis on Mandarin, but eventually I want to have a good knowledge of Taiwanese and Cantonese (and maybe some other Min Nan/Wu dialects as well).

My biggest recommendation would be to learn Mandarin first or along with Min Nan. Cheers :)
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Re: Bân-lâm-gú (Min Nan)

Postby ruusukaali » 2010-08-05, 16:27

Thanks for the replies guys.

I found a copy of Spoken Amoy Hokkien by Nicholas Bodman for 52$. Any of you used this book before? It's got over 600 pages which is making my mouth absolutely water but I dunno if it's any good.
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Re: Bân-lâm-gú (Min Nan)

Postby księżycowy » 2010-08-28, 16:40

The book isn't bad. It's all in romanization, so anyone hoping to learn the Characters will be sorely disappointed. I have both the book (Spoken Amoy, which I imagine is what you're referencing, and Spoken Taiwanese) and the audio that goes with it, and it is definately some of the better (and actually existant) resources in English. The only book(s) that I could say are better would be the Spoken Taiwanese 1-3 by Maryknoll in Taiwan. Again, these books are also in romanization, but they go to a higher level with the grammar, and are more recently publish, thus their content will be more up to current trends. No audio for the Maryknoll books unless your a student of theirs though . . . (I've dealt with them before, and have quite a few of their resources.) Hope that helps.

I'm quite interested in Taiwanese (as well as Mandarin, Shanghainese, and Cantonese), but due to tackling Japanese at the moment, I don't have the time to devote to another Asian language right now.

[Would have thought something like this should have been brought up in the general 'Chinese' Forum . . .]

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Re: Bân-lâm-gú (Min Nan)

Postby KIRINPUTRA » 2012-03-18, 13:07

Been there, done some of that. I can offer some guidance if anybody here is looking to learn some Hoklo, or Hokkien, or Taiwanese, or "Banlamese".

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Re: Bân-lâm-gú (Min Nan)

Postby KIRINPUTRA » 2012-03-18, 13:27

EIGHT can be either "poeh" or "peh", depending on the dialect. The "-h" is a glottal stop. EIGHT is "pat" in Literary Hoklo. So all three are correct. "Bpui" is just someone trying to write "poeh".

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Re: Bân-lâm-gú (Min Nan)

Postby księżycowy » 2012-03-18, 18:18

I may take you up on that offer. I'm contemplating what Asian language I want to work on now. I was going to do some Japanese, but I'm not sure I want to deal with the writing system quite yet. So, spoken Chinese of some sort might be interesting.

(And I was working on some Taiwanese last summer, so it might be good to revisit)

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Re: Bân-lâm-gú (Min Nan)

Postby KIRINPUTRA » 2012-03-19, 13:44

Thanks, księżycowy.

I see Hoklo-Taiwanese as a crossroads language in the Asia Pacific. It's part of the SEA sprachbund, yet shares much with Mandarin and Japanese.

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Re: Bân-lâm-gú (Min Nan)

Postby KIRINPUTRA » 2012-04-15, 6:58

Taiwanese guy and guy from Brunei communicating in Hokkien / Hoklo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW39Fbkx ... youtu.be&a

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Re: Bân-lâm-gú (Min Nan)

Postby KIRINPUTRA » 2012-06-09, 5:57

Ah, achei isso:
http://www.sulit.com.ph/index.php/view+ ... escription
E como era barato, acabei comprando. Quando me enviarem os arquivos, eu te mando também :P

Gracias, primo. Creo que he visto este libro en las librerías de las Filipinas. De los libros sobre el joló que he visto allí, los dos de Johnny Young más me interesaron. http://www.chinalanguage.com/forums/vie ... 9a18d96aeb No los compré.

Não é fácil achar material em hokkien das Filipinas. Mas o que eu queria de verdade era alguém pra me ensinar o hokkien de Penang ou de Medan, porque é bem diferente do Amoy. Mas acho melhor ir com calma, né? Se eu começasse a aprender o hokkien de Penang junto com o taiwanês, eu talvez começasse a misturar os dois...

El hokkien de Penang, Medan, Phuket, y Birmania ("el hokkien del Océano Índico") es como otra lengua. Creo que aprenderlo junto con el hokkien de Taiwán o las Filipinas parecía aprender el português brasileiro junto con el galego. Te recomiendo escoger uno u otro...

Acho que já disse no fórum, mas todos os chineses zamboangueños que eu achei eram cantoneses (provavelmente mestiços) e não falavam nem cantonês, só chavacano :) Nusabe iyo combersa buenamente chavacano, pero syempre interesaw gat!

Wao! ¿Donde aprendiste el chavacano? :shock:


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