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Postby zhiguli » 2008-01-12, 23:00

hungarian site with lessons, dictionaries, etc for the lovar dialect:

http://www.sasvarig.hu/kny.htm

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Postby Alejo » 2008-01-14, 0:11

D39 wrote:Te traeles bahtalo, praleo! Kaj si tu? :P


lachi tiri devés!

sim amerikáko. múrro anav si Alex. thaj san tu ? ^_^?

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Postby D39 » 2008-01-17, 19:17

Alejo wrote:
D39 wrote:Te traeles bahtalo, praleo! Kaj si tu? :P


lachi tiri devés!

sim amerikáko. múrro anav si Alex. thaj san tu ? ^_^?


Me sim romanijako thaj mo anav si Alex takoj. :D

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Postby ILuvEire » 2008-02-05, 9:57

Please continue these lessons! They're really cool. I love Romani.

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Postby Alejo » 2008-02-22, 1:39

I promise I will write a lesson before the night is over =D

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Postby ILuvEire » 2008-04-06, 10:15

Alejo wrote:I promise I will write a lesson before the night is over =D

Where's the lesson! Lol!

I wanted to thank you for making these. They helped me do an english project on the Rrôma. I got a 98% so, cool! [I credited this thread in my bibliography].

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Postby Nero » 2008-04-06, 15:05

Hey may have written it and never posted it ;)

chaq ghItlhpu' 'ej not nobpu' ;)

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Postby ILuvEire » 2008-04-06, 21:15

Nero wrote:Hey may have written it and never posted it ;)

chaq ghItlhpu' 'ej not nobpu' ;)

Well...what's that idiom? Jump on the ball? Get a ball? Something like that...

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Postby Alejo » 2008-04-07, 3:03

Omg...I have...somebody who cares??!?!

YAY!!!
I will write one write now! I promise =]!!
And the grade thing made me soooooo happy =D!!!

Ok
write write write!

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Postby Alejo » 2008-04-07, 5:23

Plural
These are the basics for the thematic nouns:

Male nouns that end in o change the o to e:
Čoxãno->čoxãne(ghost->ghosts)
Goro->gore(poor fellow...kinda like a guy with no luck->plural of that lol)
Šelo->šele(rope->ropes)

Feminine nouns ending in i change the i to ya:
Čoxãni->čoxãnya(female ghost->female ghosts)
Čuči->čučya(breast->breasts)
Sapni->sapnya(female snake->female snakes)

Those ending in consonants add a:
Lil->lila(letter->letters)(female)
Sap->sapa(snake->snakes)(male)
Ruv->ruva(wolf->wolves)(male)
Bokh->bokha(hunger->hungers)(female)

Those ending in a dipthong add ya:
Bai->baiya(sleeve->sleeves)(female)
Goi->goiya(sausage->sausages)(female)
Mui->muiya(mouth->mouthes)(male)
Picagoi->picagoiya(swallow->swallows)(male)

Some change radically:
Ryat->ryaka(night->nights)
Žukel->žukla(dog->dogs)

Those are thematic. I'll introduce athematic in the next lesson, because it is LONG!

Test:
1) stagi(hat) in the plural is:
2) gav(village)(masculine) in the plural is:
3) gili(poem, song) in the plural is:
4) braškoi(bullfrog) in the plural is:
5) čiriklo(bird) in the plural is:

O and E change to Le(no matter what) in the plural:

O raklo avel->Le rakle aven!(The boys are coming)

Adjectives
Adjectives agree with gender(in the singular) and number.

O cino gav-The small village.
E melali bali-The dirty sow.
Le lache Roma-The pleasant, good Roma

So the masculine ending in adjectives is o, i for feminine, and e for the plural.

or

They don't inflect at all.

Like šukar.

O šukar raklo: The handsome lad.
E šukar rakli: The pretty girl.
Le šukar rakle: The good looking children. Easy yeah?


Test:
1) The bad girl. (bi-lašo is bad)
2) The thin boy. (sano is thin)
3) The pitiful mares. (čorro is pitiful)

Thematic adjectives can be used as nouns.

Sano can mean a thin man. Sani can mean a thin woman. Le sane can thus mean the thin people.

Vocab
ambrol(m) pear
bori bride
čiriklo bird
dar(f) fear
dur far
ges(m) day
gili song, poem
khánči(m) nothing or anything
khil(m) butter
kurko week

Small, but I'll add the rest tomorrow =P

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Postby Alejo » 2008-04-07, 5:25

Oh you might have noticed that I used different letters than I introduced in the first lesson. While I apologize for my deviance, one should become accustomed to different diatrics as there is no uniform alphabet and Roma from different nations write differently. However, its very easy to see what the word is. ^_^

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Postby ILuvEire » 2008-04-08, 0:22

Alejo wrote:Oh you might have noticed that I used different letters than I introduced in the first lesson. While I apologize for my deviance, one should become accustomed to different diatrics as there is no uniform alphabet and Roma from different nations write differently. However, its very easy to see what the word is. ^_^

Yes, I noticed it when visiting different sites. One had the script in Cyrillic.

(A good resource: www.rroma.com)

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Postby Alejo » 2008-04-08, 5:57

Oh yes, if anyone wants corrections or correct answers just pm me=P.

*Working on lesson*

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Postby AlienDiscoDuck » 2008-04-08, 6:12

Romani sounds really interesting. I can already see the similarities to Hindi, like 'ekh' (ek) 'kon' (kaun), 'ages' (aaj). I can see a few Hungarian borrowings as well, I believe Levo pointed those out already.
So basically it's a Sanskrit-based language with borrowings from Central European ones. Cool! I'll definitely have to find out more. :D
Im in ur lexiconz, verbin ur nounz.

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Postby Dinko1704986 » 2008-04-14, 10:53

What I would like to know is: how mutualy intelligible are different Roma dialects over Europe ? Guess there must be a pretty high degree of variation there.

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Postby Alejo » 2008-04-17, 22:38

Dinko1704986 wrote:What I would like to know is: how mutualy intelligible are different Roma dialects over Europe ? Guess there must be a pretty high degree of variation there.

It really depends on the dialect. Some dialects are a bit more conservative, and others seem to be a corrupted form of the dominant language of whatever country that group of Roma dwell in. Kalderash borrows a LOT of words from Romanian, Hungarian, etc. Lomavren similarly borrows a lot of its words from Armenian. Etc with Calo, Sinte, and the language of the Dom. But Roma are often very aware of this and when a Rom from Spain meets a Rom from Greece, they often try to stick to the Root Romani lexicon. Generally, cross-communication isn't that much of a problem, ESPECIALLY in writing. However, it can be a nuisance, and there are movements to make a standardized dialect(which would most likely be closest to Kalderash, the dialect with most speakers).

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Postby Dinko1704986 » 2008-04-18, 0:33

I see.
thank you :)

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Postby kalemiye » 2008-04-18, 9:57

Alejo wrote:
Dinko1704986 wrote:What I would like to know is: how mutualy intelligible are different Roma dialects over Europe ? Guess there must be a pretty high degree of variation there.

It really depends on the dialect. Some dialects are a bit more conservative, and others seem to be a corrupted form of the dominant language of whatever country that group of Roma dwell in. Kalderash borrows a LOT of words from Romanian, Hungarian, etc. Lomavren similarly borrows a lot of its words from Armenian. Etc with Calo, Sinte, and the language of the Dom. But Roma are often very aware of this and when a Rom from Spain meets a Rom from Greece, they often try to stick to the Root Romani lexicon. Generally, cross-communication isn't that much of a problem, ESPECIALLY in writing. However, it can be a nuisance, and there are movements to make a standardized dialect(which would most likely be closest to Kalderash, the dialect with most speakers).


There is a book on caló in my university (located just by the books on sanskrit) and I haven't seen many words there that i could easily recognize, except those like "acais" (eyes), etc.
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Re: Romani

Postby eskandar » 2009-01-19, 19:53

The Romani Linguistics Page - contains lots of interesting resources for Romani.
Away from Unilang until further notice.

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Re: Romani

Postby ''' » 2009-01-24, 11:17

Can a gypsy in hungary understand a gypsy in spain, or a pikey? How much does the language change?
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