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Re: Yi

Postby Luna_Lovegood » 2011-08-12, 16:54

Ready to learn some Nuosu?

Lesson number 2.


Nuosu, like other East Asian language uses measure words.
If you are not East Asian, well, actually English and other languages use it too, only less frequently.
Think of a word "water" you cannot make it plural, it's uncountable.
but you may say

two buckets of water.
two glasses of wine.

bucket and glass are here measure words, but in Nuosu they are used much more frequently.

East Asian languages (maybe not Vietnamese) generally don't use plural and singular distinction as often as Europeans and Afro-Asiats (Arabic, Hebrew etc).
so.

ma means dog in Zhuang, it has no plural, it's just ma, you don't know how many dogs, it can be one dog, or it can be even 3043 dogs.
If you want to specify you just use the number with the measure word.

Unfortunately you will have to remember some measure words.





In Nuosu, saying things lyk "this book", things are a little tricky, it's the other way than Chinese way and Vietnamese way.
Chinese say This volume book, Vietnamese say Volume book this (quon sach nay), and Nuosu people use








Book this volume


let's try it!
ꊿꋋꂷ
co cyx ma.
This person.


ꊿ - person
ꋋ - this
ꂷ - classifier

it seems that ma is general classifier,you may use like Mandarin ge.


If you are Yi speaker, you are welcome to correct me, as i am not even a beginner, I am just showing what I have learned, and it's a language that is unlike the other things i know,so I am apt to make some mistakes.
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Re: Yi

Postby ruusukaali » 2011-08-13, 2:45

Oh I was interested in this language for a little while too b/c of the script :-)) There's really no resources for it though.

Videos:
How to pronounce
Vocab words (+ taught by a sweet old grandma lady :3 ) ("Please study Yi language and character seriously!" awwww :'''D )

More vocab!:
600 phrases in Yi
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Re: Yi

Postby Luna_Lovegood » 2011-08-13, 19:03

Well, there are some book on it in Chinese...
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Re: Yi

Postby モモンガ » 2011-08-28, 12:11

Nuosu girl.
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Nuosu lesson 3

To be updated


ꌧꈿ syp mgep - meeting
ꋍ cyp - one
ꐋꀨ qop bop - friend
ꆏ ne - you (singular)
ꇿꇬ kat go - where
ꀀ it - to live
ꊿ co - person
ꉢ nga - I
ꌧꍧ syp chuo - Sichuan
ꑞꈚ xix ggat - where
ꌠ su - nominalizer
ꆃꎭ niep sha - Liangshan
ꑤ xiep - province
ꑞ xix -which
ꇬ go - place
ꉬnge - to be
ꆹ li - to be
ꂿꈫ mo ggux - Meigu
ꑴꀞyip bat - isn't it?
ꉙ hxop - language
ꌧ syp - to know






qop bop, ne kat it su?
nga syp chuo it su
syp chuo xix ggat it su?
niep sha it su
ne xiep xix
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Re: Yi

Postby モモンガ » 2011-08-28, 17:24

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Well it takes a lot of time to make a lesson,
I have to copy each character from the web.
Anyway, I think I can tell I was not right telling that the characters have no relation with each other.
well, they have.

we have 4 tones,


middle

high

falling

rising

middle has no sign, high is marked by letter t, rising (21) is has x
and this x, is marked as a dash on a middle tone character.

falling 45 is marked by p letter.


y - this sound in onset, is pronunced like Polish ź, not like y.

but on the outset it's more silimar to i .

so yy is not pronounced ii but zi or something like this.

ꀕ is used for reduplication (first character turns into x tone, and the second one (marked by ꀕ) is in middle one.
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Re: Yi

Postby księżycowy » 2017-03-21, 20:01

This thread has been dead for a while now, but just incase there is anyone who stumbles upon it, or is currently a memeber and (still) interested, I've found a teaching grammar in something other than Chinese!

And a web dictionary too!

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Re: Yi

Postby Karavinka » 2017-09-10, 4:24

A Grammar of Nuosu

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Re: Yi

Postby Karavinka » 2017-09-13, 6:43

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ju4qndMzsJs

ꀋꏦꇊ
Ap Jie Lop


ꃅꆳꁏꇁ,ꂷꉐꐛꇁ
ꈾꏾꊰꇁ,ꌩꏾꌩꇁꃲ
ꑋꈌꁏꇁ,ꃅꋆꁏꇁ
ꉌꃀꁏꇁꃲ
ꋍꈓꋍꃢꀒ, ꋍꏅꋍꆪꀒ


mu hly pur la, ma hxa jjip la.
mge qi ci la, syr qi syr la vex.
nyix ke pur la, mu chur pur la.
hxie mop pur la vex.
cyp kur cyp vit ox, syp shyr cyp hlep op.

The wind blows
The rain falls
Buckwheat leave falls
The leaves are yellow
Spring goes, winter comes
The mood swings
The time flows
everything changes

ꀋꏦꇊ,ꀋꏦꇊ.
ꂾꑌꀋꐒꀒ,ꊷꑌꀋꐒꀒ


ap jie lop, ap jiep lop,
ap jie lop ap jie, ap jie lop ap jie
ap jie lop o
mox nyi ap qyp o,cax nyi ap qyp o.

Don't be afraid
Even if it's cold, or hot
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Re: Yi

Postby Karavinka » 2017-09-13, 7:10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6cbk67Wx3k

ꇿꒉꇿꇁ
ꈀꂿꈀꈨ
ꉌꌒꉌꎭ
ꀃꂰꐛ
ꇭꀧꑬꌋ
ꇇꏸꇇꃀ
ꇿꆅꇿꈻ
ꀃꂰꐛ

ꐰꇑꎭꈓ
ꇿꑟꇿꁧꇊ
ꊿꋌꀋꐚ
ꊿꐥꋍꍂ
ꑞꄸꑞꃪꇊ
ꊿꋌꀋꐚ
ꀑꀒꉈꇁꀕ...ꀑꀒ...
ꉈꇁꀕ...ꀑꀒ


http://www.xiami.com/song/1769580612

流淌的思念
词曲:瓦其依合
演唱:瓦其依合
ꉐꑱꑸ...
ꉐꀋꉐꑱꑸ...
ꉐꑱꑸ...
ꉈꆹꀒ ꃆꇭꏪꈜꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉈꆹꀒ ꏪꈜꃄꅉꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉈꆹꀒ ꏨꆉꃅꃴꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉈꆹꀒ ꃅꃴꃄꅉꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒꉈꆹꀒ ꆧꁨꃅꏸꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉈꆹꀒ ꃅꏸꈧꌺꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉈꆹꀒ ꐛꑿꁬꃨꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉈꆹꀒ ꁬꃨꅔꈋꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉡꆹꆀꌺꉷꃅꏹꍈꉬ
ꏣꃀꏣꑟꐋꀨꉁꍈꉬ
ꆺꑳꏂꃴꀉꂿꉂꇁꃲ
ꆀꃅꁧꄩꃅꈋꉂꇁꃲꉈꆹꀒ ꂚꃨꁦꀒꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉈꆹꀒ ꁦꀒꎺꁧꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉈꆹꀒ ꆗꌺꀉꐔꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉈꆹꀒ ꀉꐔꉸꉷꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉡꆹꆀꌺꉷꃅꏹꍈꉬ
ꏣꃀꏣꑟꐋꀨꉁꍈꉬ
ꆺꑳꏂꃴꀉꂿꉂꇁꃲ
ꆀꃅꁧꄩꃅꈋꉂꇁꃲꉈꆹꀒ ꆧꁨꃅꏸꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉈꆹꀒ ꃅꏸꈧꌺꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉈꆹꀒ ꐛꑿꁬꃨꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꉈꆹꀒ ꁬꃨꅔꈋꉂꑷꆀꉈꆹꀒ
ꀋꉈꆹꀒ ꀋꉈꆹꀒ
ꀋꉈꆹꀒ ꀋꉈꆹꀒ
ꀋꉈꆹꀒ ꀋꉈꆹꀒ
ꀋꉈꆹꀒ ꀋꉈꆹꀒ
ꀋꉈꆹꀒ
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Re: Yi

Postby Karavinka » 2017-09-13, 7:27

http://www.iqiyi.com/w_19rt4fl1ut.html

海来阿卓-阿依妞妞

ꀊꑱꑕꑘꉏꌞꅍꐛꀋꏾꀐꃲ
ꊰꏁꈓꃅꄉꑓꁴꊰꐺꉗ
ꁦꀑꂙꃨꉏꋌꃨꋍꃅꃨꀐꀞ
ꑕꑘꉌꂵꇬꂷꉐꐛꐺ
ꁧꇢꇉꇢꄉꋍꂷꀉꄂꉂꀐꀞ
ꐰꇑꐯꀋꇴꄉꂱꅈꐞꁧꉗ
ꃅꃴꈭꏂꉏꀅꌳꀕꃅꄉꀐꀞ
ꑕꑘꅇꂷꇬꀕꏭꄜꁧ
ꀋꏦꇊ…ꉗꀋꏦꀞ
ꅔꐍꁬꃨꐛꑿꌵꑴꌦ
ꀋꏦꇊ…ꉗꀋꏦꀞ
ꃅꃴꈧꌺꄐꅈꄐꑴꌦ
ꀋꑱꑵ…ꀉꉐ
ꀈꉐ…ꉐꑲꑸ
ꀋꑱꑵ…ꀉꉐ
ꀈꉐ…ꉐꑲꑸ
ꁦꀑꁧꄩꉆꄉꑌꑿꈁꄽꉜ
ꃀꂿꋃꆦꆏꈹꌊꃀꆏꏸꍗꐛ
ꁦꀑꁧꄩꉆꄉꑵꉙꈁꄽꉙ
ꃅꃴꃅꄂꆏꇽꌊꏤꏅꃭꇁꐛ

ꁧꇢꇉꇢꄉꋍꂷꀉꄂꉂꀐꀞ
ꐰꇑꐯꀋꇴꄉꂱꅈꐞꁧꉗ
ꃅꃴꈭꏂꉏꀅꌳꀕꃅꄉꀐꀞ
ꑕꑘꅇꂷꇬꀕꏭꄜꁧ
ꀋꏦꇊ…ꉗꀋꏦꀞ
ꅔꐍꁬꃨꐛꑿꌵꑴꌦ
ꀋꏦꇊ…ꉗꀋꏦꀞ
ꃅꃴꈧꌺꄐꅈꄐꑴꌦ
ꀋꑱꑵ…ꀉꉐ
ꀈꉐ…ꉐꑲꑸ
ꀋꑱꑵ…ꀉꉐ
ꀈꉐ…ꉐꑲꑸ
ꁦꀑꁧꄩꉆꄉꑌꑿꈁꄽꉜ
ꃀꂿꋃꆦꆏꈹꌊꃀꆏꏸꍗꐛ
ꁦꀑꁧꄩꉆꄉꑵꉙꈁꄽꉙ
ꃅꃴꃅꄂꆏꇽꌊꏤꏅꃭꇁꐛ
ꁦꀑꁧꄩꉆꄉꑌꑿꈁꄽꉜ
ꃀꂿꋃꆦꆏꈹꌊꃀꆏꏸꍗꐛ
ꁦꀑꁧꄩꉆꄉꑵꉙꈁꄽꉙ
ꃅꃴꃅꄂꆏꇽꌊꏤꏅꃭꇁꐛ


Dropping some lyrics
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Re: Yi

Postby księżycowy » 2017-09-13, 16:50

Cool songs.

I also wanted to post this:
Everything Nuosu by Susan Gary Walters. It is described as a phrasebook and "dictionary" rather than a textbook, but still better then nothing.
Then again, I don't have a copy, so I don't know what the inside looks like.

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Re: Yi

Postby Karavinka » 2017-09-17, 0:16

ꉡꐊꄉꆈꌠꂢꌷ(ngax qo da nuo su hmop sso; 跟我学彝语; Learn Nuosu With Me)

A televised Nuoso education program. Some of the past episodes can also be found on here, though it's going to be messy as there seems to be no good playlist.

I haven't checked all of them, but some of the Lectures on Yi Studies are in Yi. No subtitle in either language, though, but maybe helpful to get the feel for the rhythm. A more general Yi language program.
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Re: Yi

Postby Karavinka » 2017-09-20, 18:19

księżycowy wrote:Cool songs.

I also wanted to post this:
Everything Nuosu by Susan Gary Walters. It is described as a phrasebook and "dictionary" rather than a textbook, but still better then nothing.
Then again, I don't have a copy, so I don't know what the inside looks like.

Image

Well.. I've got the book. Shown with X360 controller and a mouse for size comparison. No, I just need to organize my desk.

My impressions:

The book is clearly a labor of love. It is fairly substantial for a phrasebook. Looking at the physical size of the book, one might think it's a language textbook.

The introduction provides some basic information about the Nuosu and describes its writing system and sounds. She provides a small list of 50 most common Nuosu characters to get you started, and she gives an encouraging message that the most common 293 characters make up 90% of written Nuosu. It's here where you notice the author's care: Romanized Nuosu marks the tones with the final consonants -t, -p and -x; while these are properly shown, these tonal markers are shown in grey, probably to help the reader not to pronounce them as consonants. This is consistently applied throughout the book.

p.21 to p.102 are phrasebooks, topically organized. All sentences are provided with the Nuosu syllabary, romanized Nuosu and English translation. These sections are not cookie-cutter phrasebooks in a sense that she provides a lot of culturally relevant and Nuosu-specific information; Nuosu headdresses, marital and funeral rites, festivals, etc. One example:

ꆍꏤꃮꏸꃮꆜꂄꀕ?
nop jiet vot jy vot hlie nbop w?
Did the pig's gall bladder and spleen look good?

p.105 to p.161 contain the grammar. I feel like the author tried to cram in as much as possible; this is not saying it looks cluttered, but it does feel dense. It seems that most of the common sentence patterns are covered here, although many of them are given only one example sentence probably due to the space concerns. Still, some of the potentially most confusing structures like the serial verb construction have two and a half page treatment with more examples. Oh, and the jargon rate is very low.

p.163 to p.208 contain topical Nuosu vocabulary, and p.209 to 279 have English-Nuosu alphabetical vocabulary. Topical vocabulary is just that; again, there are a lot of cultural concern in terms of the words. She dedicates a whole page to present 10 different types of Nuosu baskets, all with the picture illustrations.

The master vocabulary at the end goes only English to Nuosu. After all, it is a phrasebook and you're meant to carry it around as you travel in the area... I think.
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Re: Yi

Postby księżycowy » 2017-09-20, 19:50

Very interesting. It very well sounds like it's worth picking up a copy then. (Eventually. :P )

The "Learn Nuosu With Me" links look quite helpful as well. (Probably even more helpful after I learn me some Chinese.) Thanks! :D


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