Turkmen Study Group

[księżycowy]

Ok, this is a study group for the wonderful language of Turkmenistan! I'll be going through the textbook Basic Turkmen by Oezel and Saparova. As I believe this text is now OOP, I will be providing scans and audio-visual materials to the group, if anyone wants to use this resource as well. Please PM me if you're interested in getting the materials.

Anyone of any skill level is welcome at anytime.

As this is more or less just an exploratory investigation of a Turkic language by me, I do not think we will go at great speed, and there may be breaks as things come up, but I do intend to at least finish the textbook, and to learn some, well, basic Turkmen.

Group 1 (Started 11/16/18)

Materials:
Whatever you want!

Check-ins
Whenever you want!

[Multiturquoise]

I hope I'm going to be in for the study group. I also have some materials in Anatolian Turkish about the Turkmen language (generally grammars).

[księżycowy]

Sure, the more the merrier!

[vijayjohn]

I'm in, of course.

[chung]

If I weren't studying Azeri right now, I would join. Oh well.

[księżycowy]

Why not do both?

[chung]

Starting Turkmen now would screw up my emerging abilities in Azeri. Even my long dormant abilities in Turkish sometimes show up when I misspell Azeri words. Long ago, I started studying BCMS/SC after having reached something like low-intermediate in both Polish and Slovak, but even then got annoyed by the interference. It'd be even worse when dealing with two Oghuz languages at the same time in which I'm still very much a beginner in one, and a false beginner* in the other.

* I did dabble in Turkmen a while ago, and kind of liked it, although the lisping got a little annoying. Incidentally, I feel similarly about Bashkir which comes off like Tatar with more phonemic spelling (yes!), but again that lisp (no!).

[księżycowy]

I was mostly just kidding anyway.

Feel free to join in if/when you want.

[księżycowy]

And I got Lesson 1 of Unit 1 done!
Here are my answers! [I'm skipping the map exercises, as without the visual it would be too hard to figure out.]

1.1

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Salam! - Hi!
Men Pälwan. - I am Pälwan.

1.2

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milleti - his/her nationality
ady - his/her (first) name
raýatlygy - his/her citizenship
familiýasy - his/her last name

millietim - amerikaly
adym - Pälwan
raýatlygym - amerikaly
familiýam - K. [I've redacted my last name from privacy purposes]

1.3

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1. Essalawmaleýkim.
2. Salawmaleýkim.
3. Salawmaleýkim.
4. Salam.
5. Essalawmaleýkim.
6. Salawmaleýkim.
[Naturally I could have come up with more than one way to greet these people. I just shared one.]

2.2

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1. Bill türkmenmi? -> G. Ýok, Bill türkmen däl.
2. Siz türkmenmi? -> D. Hawa, men türkmen.
3. Siz Baharmy? -> F. Ýok, men Bahar däl. Men Aýgözel.
4. Ady näme? -> E. Ady Bahar.
5. Bu näme? -> A. Bu "t" harpy.
6. Siz kim bolarsyňyz? -> Ç. Men Serdar.

2.4

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Serdar: Salam!
Tom: Salam!
S: Siz kim bolarsyňyz?
T: Men Tom. Siz kim bolarsyňyz?
S: Men Serdar. Siz türkmenmi?
T: Ýok, men türkmen däl. Men amerikaly.

3.2

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1. Aýgül
2. Serdar
3. Gülnar
4. Mähri
5. Rejep
6. Bahar

3.3

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1. Owganystan
2. Orsyýet
3. Türkmenistan
4. Amerika
5. Eýran
6. Gazagystan

4.1

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Place Names:
Amerikanyň, Türkmenistan, Alýaska, Atlantik, Nýu-Ýork, Los-Anjeles, Çikago, Kanadadan, Afrikadan, Afrika

Other Words:
ştatlary, sosial, adimlerini, geografiýasy, Prezidentimiz, delegasiýasy, territoriýasynyň, demirgazyk, territoriýasy, kilometr, industrial, respublikasyny

[Don't quiz me on what any of these mean, but I mean, I can pick out that they are based on English words and I can tell what the English words are. ]

4.2

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1. Türkmenistan
2. Eýran
3. Orsyýet
4. Päkistan
5. Owganystan
6. Gazagystan[/spoil

4.3
[spoil]Bahar (Pic # 5): Salamälik.
Döwlet (Pic #2): Gurgunmysyň.
Bahar: Men Bahar. Siz kim bolarsyňyz?
Döwlet: Men Döwlet.

[księżycowy]

Also, I was thinking, it might be fun for you guys (Vijay and Multi) to share the similarities and differences with Turkish here.

EDIT: I've also decided that I would like to utilize the materials housed at the Five Colleges language media website. I'm just not exactly sure how much I want to use yet. Or how.

[Multiturquoise]

My answers:

1.1

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salam = selam, merhaba (hello, hi)
men = ben (I)
men Bora = ben Bora (I'm Bora.)

1.2

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millet"i", raýatlyg"y", ad"y", familiýa"sy"
3sg possessive

Milletim türk. = Milliyetim Türk. (My nationality is Turkish)
Raýatlygym türk. = Türk vatandaşıyım. (I'm a Turkish citizen)
Adym Bora. = Adım Bora. (My name is Bora.)
Familiýam A. = Soyadım A. (My family name is A.) "family name hidden for privacy purposes"

1.3

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1.
Essalawmaleýkim.

2.
Essalawmaleýkim.

3.
Essalawmaleýkim.

4.
Salam.

5.
Salam.

6.
Essalawmaleýkim.

2.2

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1. Bill türkmenmi? = g. Ýok, Bill türkmen däl.
2. Siz türkmenmi? = d. Hawa, men türkmen.
3. Siz Baharmy? = f. Ýok, men Bahar däl. Men Aýgözel.
4. Ady näme? = e. Ady Bahar.
5. Bu näme? = a. Bu "t" harpy.
6. Siz kim bolarsyňyz? = c. Men Serdar.

2.4

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Serdar: Salam.
Tom: Salam.
Serdar: Siz kim bolarsyňyz?
Tom: Men Tom. Siz kim bolarsyňyz?
Serdar: Men Serdar. Siz türkmenmi?
Tom: Ýok, men türkmen däl, men amerikaly.

3.2

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1. Aýgül (f)
2. Serdar (m)
3. Gülnar (f)
4. Mähri (f)
5. Rejep (m)
6. Bahar (f)

3.3

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1. Owganystan
2. Orsyýet
3. Türkmenistan
4. Amerika
5. Eýran
6. Gazagystan

4.1

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Place Names:
Türkmenistan = Turkmenistan
Amerikanyň Birleşen Ştatlary = United States of America
Alýaska = Alaska
Gawaý = Hawaii
Kanada = Canada
Meksika = Mexico
Nýu-Ýork = New York
Los-Anjeles = Los Angeles
Çikago = Chicago
Afrika = Africa

Other words:
kilometr (kilometre)
syýasy (siyasî/political)
ykdysady (iktisadî/economical)
sosial (sosyal/social)
galkynyş (kalkınma/development)
bilen (ile/with)
bäş ýüz (beş yüz/five hundred)
gün (gün/day)
köpräk (daha fazla/more)
wagt (vakit, zaman/time)
özüniň ilkinji (kendisinin ilk/first on its own)
emma (ama/but)
ädim (adım/step)
halkara (uluslararası/international)
dünýä (dünya/world)
dürli (çeşitli/various)
geografiýa (coğrafya/geography)
hökümet (hükûmet/government)
delegasiýa (delege/delegation)
merhemetli (merhametli/merciful)
Prezident (president/başkan)
baştutanlyk (başkanlık)
uly (büyük/great,large)
döwlet (devlet/state)
bolmak (olmak/to be)
resmi (resmî/official)
sapar (ziyaret/visit)
gitmek (gitmek/to go)
näme (ne/what)
nämeler (neler/what)
bilmek (bilmek/to know)
territoriýa (toprak/territory)
boýunça (bakımından/by)
dördünji (dördüncü/fourth)
iň (en/most)
müň (bin/thousand)
kwadrat (kare/square)
bölek (bölge/region)
demirgazyk (kuzey/north)
ýarymada (yarımada/peninsula)
ada (ada/island)
ybarat (ibaret/consists of)
günorta (güney/south)
günbatar (batı/west)
iri (büyük, iri/big)
paýtagt (başkent/capital city)
industrial (endüstriyel/industrial)
kuwwat (kuvvet, güç/power)
bütin (bütün/all of)

4.2

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1. Türkmenistan
2. Eýran
3. Orsyýet
4. Päkistan
4. Owganystan
5. Gazagystan

[księżycowy]

I was curious how much of the reading you'd be able to understand. Seems like a lot.

EDIT: I also added the first Online Guide to the goals for the next week or so. I wasn't sure what type of pacing we'd take, but Unit 1 Lesson 1 in Basic Turkmen was very quick and easy for even me!

[vijayjohn]

OK, I at least tried to do most of what y'all did. Weird how they put the part you need to read first at the end of the lesson.

I'm skipping 4.1 because it's way too time-consuming and boring for me. Yeah yeah I get it the Supreme Leader is going to the United States and ooh how much do you know about the United States? Well I live there so kind of a lot actually.

1.1

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Salam!

Men Wijaý John.

1.2

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(s){y/i} means 'his/her/its'

Milletim: Amerikaly
Adym: Wijaý
Raýatlygym: Amerikaly
Familiýam: John

1.3

I have no damn clue which of the people in these pictures are younger than me, so I'll just assume that the ones in #4-5 are and that the one in #1 is also sorta young because why not.

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1. Salam.
2. Essalawmaleýkim.
3. Salawmaleýkim.
4. Waleýkim.
5. Gurgunmysyň?
6. Salawmaleýkim.

2.2

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1. g
2. d
3. f
4. e
5. a
6. c

2.4

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Tom: Salam!
Serdar: Salam!
T: Siz kim bolarsyňyz?
S: Men Serdar. Siz kim bolarsyňyz? Siz Paulmy?
T: Ýok, men Paul däl. Men Tom. Men amerikaly. Siz türkmenmi?
S: Hawa, milletim türkmen.

3.2

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Myrat
2 Serdar
Nabat
4 Mähri
5 Rejep
1 Aýgül
3 Gülnar
Pälwan
Mämmet
Orazhal
6 Bahar
Döwlet

3.3

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Owganystan
Russiýa
Türkmenistan
Amerika
Eýran
Gazagystan

4.2

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Türkmenistan
Eýran
Russiýa/Orsyýet
Päkistan
Owganystan
Gazagystan

[księżycowy]

I'm so sorry you find my languages and resources so boring, Vijay!

[księżycowy]

So, I think I'm putting Turkmen on an indefinite hiatus.

Sorry guys.

[chung]

That's a shame.

I was thinking about getting back on the Turkmen train in the first half of next year as soon as I finish off "Elementary Azerbaijani" (I've got 7 more chapters to go). I'm starting warm up to the Oghuz languages.

I'm pleasantly surprised by how much more auxillary material Five Colleges has created. Until I saw your link, I knew only of the CultureTalk videos on Turkmenistan and the syllabi for the self-study course. All of the audio files in that archive at LangMedia were new to me.

I was thinking of using "Colloquial Turkmen" as the main textbook, and complementing it with the audio from DLI Headstart2 and LangMedia. It's also nice to be able to get an English<>Turkmen dictionary and reference material as free downloads. I wish that I had such material for Azeri since I sometimes find the explanations in "Elementary Azerbaijani" and "Azerbaijani for Beginners" a little unclear or lacking.

[księżycowy]

I'm optimisticly hopefully I'll get around to it later this coming year. But naturally I can't be sure.

I have every attention of returning to Turkmen at some point.

[vijayjohn]

Multiturquoise and I are also part of this group. I'm fine with participating in this group as long as there is some activity in it besides my own.

[księżycowy]

As Vijay said it was perfectly ok to have more than one fun language, I'm concidering rejoining.

[vijayjohn]

Having a fun language doesn't necessarily mean reviving a study group, though. I mean, what would you do in it?