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Postby alijsh » 2008-01-19, 5:33

renata wrote::?: Is there any difference between the azeri spoken in Azerbaijan and the azeri spoken in Iran besides the script?

There are differences but they are mutually intelligible. You know, they belonged to the same society. Azerbaijan was historically part of Iran and we lost it to Russia in 1813 during first Russo-Persian War as a result of Treaty of Gulistan (عهدنامه‌ی گلستان: Гюлистанский договор). In fact most of those small republics of Russia has been taken from Iran in 1800's and the Russian influence is relatively something new. That province of Iran from which this country was separated has now become two provinces: East and West Azerbaijan. Ok. No more off-topic. If you liked to know more just PM me. I have many Azerbaijani friends. If you have any question tell me and I'll ask them. By the way, they don't understand so-called Istanbuli Turkish so much. They must watch and watch programs and then they'll understand it gradually.

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Postby eskandar » 2008-01-19, 6:50

alijsh wrote:I have many Azerbaijani friends.


Do any of them speak English? Get one of them to be a moderator for an Azeri forum! :wink: :lol:
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Postby alijsh » 2008-01-19, 8:44

Where is that forum? If I could find someone being able to explain the grammar I'll tell him. However, if you search in Iranian forums you can certainly find someone yourself. Which dialect do you want to learn? Tabriz, Ardebil, Hamedân, Kermânshâh, etc.? From your earlier posts, it seems that you want to learn Tabrizi.
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Postby kalemiye » 2008-01-19, 8:47

alijsh wrote:Where is that forum? If I could find someone being able to explain the grammar I'll tell him. However, if you search in Iranian forums you can certainly find someone yourself.


In the other languages section.
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Postby zhiguli » 2008-01-19, 9:21

alijsh wrote:Eskandar: Can you learn in Persian? If so, I think I can find and introduce you some sites teaching Azerbaijani Turkish to Persian speakers. however I think they write Azerbaijani in Perso-Arabic and the same story: you can't get to correct pronunciation :D Anyway, if you can learn this way just tell me and perhaps I can find one with pronunciation.


as for me i'd be very interested in seeing these sites (for that matter any others about other minority languages like Turkmen, Qashqai, Gilaki, etc spoken inside Iran).

at the end of this article there's a short list of words that differ between northern and southern azerbaijani:

http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/ma ... ion_13.pdf

as for specific differences in pronunciation that's a problem because as alijsh pointed out, there are lots of dialects and since the language does not have a real standard variety like in (north) azerbaijan people will speak in their own accent.

about tabriz dialect i can say
the pronunciation of ç as ts is typical, as is k getting "fronted" to ç
q which gets pronounced "g" in northern azerbaijani often turns into ğ
there's a short comparison of baku and tabriz dialect in "basic course in azerbaijani", which i may type out when i have the time.

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Postby alijsh » 2008-01-19, 14:55

Ok Zhiguli. I'll search and post the links here.

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Postby eskandar » 2008-01-19, 19:44

Yes, I'm particularly interested in the Tabriz dialect, although I've also been learning Baku Azeri simply because the vast majority of materials available is for the Baku dialect.

Zhiguli, is that "Basic Course in Azerbaijani" the one published in 1963 by Indiana University? My university's library has a copy. I looked it over the other day and was put off by the awful typesetting. Maybe it's worth a second look, if only for the Tabrizi information.
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Postby alijsh » 2008-01-20, 5:17

Zhiguli: Here are some links for now:

http://www.sharemation.com/gajil11/dastoor-e-zaban.pdf
http://www.turkish.persiangig.com/azeri/mebanidestur-www.ocaq.net.pdf

NOTE - the PDF files may be the same. Please inform me. My internet connection is slow and I couldn't afford checking them myself.

http://gayagizi3.blogfa.com/ - apparently Tabrizi
http://sozluk.blogfa.com/
http://www.gajil.20m.com/maktab.htm - you can view the pages from "archive" section

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Postby zhiguli » 2008-01-21, 14:59

alijsh wrote:Zhiguli: Here are some links for now:

http://www.sharemation.com/gajil11/dastoor-e-zaban.pdf
http://www.turkish.persiangig.com/azeri/mebanidestur-www.ocaq.net.pdf

NOTE - the PDF files may be the same. Please inform me. My internet connection is slow and I couldn't afford checking them myself.

http://gayagizi3.blogfa.com/ - apparently Tabrizi
http://sozluk.blogfa.com/
http://www.gajil.20m.com/maktab.htm - you can view the pages from "archive" section


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i checked the two pdfs and they are indeed the same.
very interesting. one thing i notice about iranian azeri is that the spelling is more fully voweled than ottoman turkish (even to the point of inserting extra ا and ی in arabic words) so it's not that difficult to read.
another thing i noticed is that they have all sorts of consonant assimilations that are reminiscent of turkmen.

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Postby zhiguli » 2008-01-21, 15:01

eskandar wrote:Zhiguli, is that "Basic Course in Azerbaijani" the one published in 1963 by Indiana University? My university's library has a copy. I looked it over the other day and was put off by the awful typesetting. Maybe it's worth a second look, if only for the Tabrizi information.


that would be the one. the transcription with all those scary accents is bit off-putting but the information is invaluable (even taking into account that it's over 40 years old and speaking about dialect), if you can get the tapes for it, even better.


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