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Postby Daryal » 2007-01-17, 16:37

Hi!
İsәnmesez!


At last I started the Tatar page in Unilang!!! http://home.unilang.org/wiki3/index.php/Tatar
In English. As in Russia there're many courses teaching through Russian. Not all people may study Russian just in order to start learning Tatar.

Here anyone can advise me what to do (though, of course, I watch from time to time other language pages ;)).
Now I prepared just 5 simple dialogues with sound. http://home.unilang.org/wiki3/index.php ... _Dialogues
Days-months are waiting when I code them. (The case is I like to do everything nice-looking, so there's much time is spent on doing such things.) ;)


If you wonder what is the Tatar language like :

- stress is ALWAYS on the last syllable;
- it's based on vowel harmony;
- it's common to Turkish (50-60%);
- verbs are ALWAYS put at the end of a sentence;
- it's an agglutinative language like Finnish and Lithuanian (but MUCH easier than the latter :))
- IT HAS NO EXCLUSIONS!!! (that's why some elements of it were used in Esperanto)
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In short one can write in Tatar having a table of formulas before him.
A nice tale, eh? But that's TRUE

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Postby Zorba » 2007-01-17, 17:39

Thanks a lot for doing that! I'm genuinely curious about all the languages of Russian Federation & former Soviet Union. Unfortunately I don't have time to learn Tatar, but I did just listen to the dialogues just to get a feel for the sound of the language - and the sound quality is excellent - really crystal clear.

Always wanted to visit Kazan' - maybe next time I'm out in Russia!

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-20, 2:20

This is one of the languages of today's Bulgarian originated people. Although their version of turkic became a kypchak turkic dialect , instead of being the old continuum of their ancient Bulgarian turkic dialect. The only Bulgarian turkic dialect survived currently is Chuvash. There are other hypothetical surviving smaller Bulgarian originated groups , as well.

Many Chuvashes , Tatars & Danube Bulgarians (in Bulgaria ) are aware of that ancient lost connection today.Once upon a time , they were the same people...

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-21, 5:31

From the famous tatar-russian singer Alsou;

Ak chishme = White fountain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EaOnBAI ... ed&search=

another song from her "Etkey" ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk8gF9b4 ... ed&search=
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Postby Erol » 2007-01-21, 5:38

From Finnish-tatar singer Cemile a song called
"Mohabbet yetmelere" ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpw8uEqyDNE

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-21, 5:53


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LESSON ONE is ready!!!

Postby Daryal » 2007-01-22, 17:55

Erol, linklar өçen bik zur rәxmәt! Başqa cirçılarnıqın tapsağız, Sez alarnı üzegez Tatar bitenә urnaştıra alasız. (Min өlgermәsәm, diyüem.)
Erol, thank you greatly for the links! If you find some songs of other our singers would you be so kind as to place them into the Tatar page yourself? (If I don’t manage quickly.)
NEWS: I finished making LESSON-1 !!!
(Though sound is not available so far) - http://home.unilang.org/wiki3/index.php ... in_English

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-23, 1:20

Min uzem Tatarca circi taparsam alarni urnastira alim. Sin bu threade kuprek yazirsin , burasi kuprek popular bulirga. Raxmet.

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-23, 15:02

I do have Danube Bulgarian-Pomak heritage , as well . So I feel connected to Tatars in many reasons , so I support the three long lost sisters Chuvashia , Tatarstan & Bulgaria from my heart.

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Postby Alcadras » 2007-01-23, 15:06

Erol wrote:From the famous tatar-russian singer Alsou;

Ak chishme = White fountain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EaOnBAI ... ed&search=

another song from her "Etkey" ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk8gF9b4 ... ed&search=

She had become 2nd in eurovision song contest 2000.

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-23, 15:19

Alcadras wrote:
Erol wrote:From the famous tatar-russian singer Alsou;

Ak chishme = White fountain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EaOnBAI ... ed&search=

another song from her "Etkey" ;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk8gF9b4 ... ed&search=

She had become 2nd in eurovision song contest 2000.


Unin evroviziya resultatini bilirim.

Onun eurovision sonucunu biliyorum.

I know her eurovision result

She was quite successful . I wish she sings more tatar songs along with russian

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-23, 15:44

BULGARIAN LANGUAGE


"The oldest and more widely accepted theory is that the Bulgar language, now extinct, belonged to the Turkic linguistic family. It is broadly classified as Bulgar Turkic, a distant branch of the Turkic languages, whose only living related tongue is modern Chuvash.[1]

The base for this Turkic theory, proposed as early as the 19th century when the first historical researches started to appear, is the fact that the Bulgars used an alphabet similar to the Orkhon script, that the Bulgar words contained in the few surviving stone inscriptions (words which mainly defined military and hierarchical terms) and the remnants in the modern Bulgarian language, are of Turkic origin, and the fact that the Bulgars had a typical Turkic religion (e.g. see Tangra). [1] The inscriptions were sometimes written in Greek or Cyrillic characters thus allowing the scholars to surely identify some of the words."
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Postby Erol » 2007-01-23, 15:50

"Old Great Bulgaria or Great Bulgaria (Η παλαιά μεγάλη Βουλγαρία in Byzantine chronicles; alternative name: Onoguria/Onoghuria) was a Bulgar state, founded by Kubrat, which existed in the 7th century north of the Caucasus mountains in the steppe between the rivers Dnieper and Lower Volga[1]."

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-23, 15:51

"Kubrat (also Kurt or Houvrat) was of the kingly Dulo clan[2] and the rightful heir of the Bulgar throne. He spent his adolescence in the Byzantine Empire, where he was educated and baptised[3], while his maternal uncle Organa was a regent over his tribe.

Around 628 Kubrat returned to his fatherland, took the leadership over his people most probably with the approval of the Avar khagan. He soon managed to overthrow Avar domination and also to secede from the entangled in dynastic wars Western Turkic Khaganate."

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-23, 15:52

"The events that unfolded following Kubrat's death are described by the Byzantine Partiarch Nicephorus I [6]. In the times of Emperor Constantine IV, he narrates, Kubrat died and Batbayan, the eldest of his five sons, was left in charge of the state. Under strong Khazar pressure, Kubrat's other sons disregarded their father's advice to stay together in order to resist the enemies and soon departed, taking their own tribes.

Kotrag, the leader of the Kutrigurs (or Kotrags) left for Middle Volga, where he later established Volga Bulgaria at the Volga-Kama confluence, a state which was to become very prosperous. Volga Bulgars converted voluntary to Islam in the 9th century and managed to preserve their national identity well into the 13th century, by repelling the first Mongol attacks in 1223, thus becoming the only people to ever defeat Chingis khan. However, they were eventually subdued, their main city Bolghar became a capital of the Golden Horde Khanate and the Bulgars mixed with the Tatars. The citizens of the modern Russian republics of TATARSTAN and CHUVASHIA are considered to be descendants of those Bulgars"

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-23, 15:59

DANUBE BULGARIA;

"Kuber with another part of the Kutrigurs seceded firstly in Pannonia, seemingly recognising the authority of the Avar Khaganate and later, after a unsuccessful attemp to take hold of the Khaganate, resettled in Macedonia. There he had another unsuccessful attemp to create a state by capturing the city of Thessaloniki and had to flee again.

Other Bulgars led by Altsek sought refuge from the Avars with the Lombards, near Ravenna and later moved further south, finally settling north-east of Naples and eventually mixing with the Italians.

Batbayan's people who remained in their homeland were soon subdued by the Khazars and converted to Judaism, eventually assimilating with their masters.

Khan Asparuh, the successor to Khan Kubrat, subsequently conquered Moesia and Dobrudja from the Byzantine Empire in 680 and formed the First Bulgarian Empire. Thus, the date for the establishment of present-day Bulgaria could be considered 632 as opposed to 681, since the state of Great Bulgaria may have been continuous within the Danubian Bulgarian state."

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-23, 16:02

VOLGA BULGARIA

"Volga Bulgaria or Volga-Kama Bolghar, is a historic state that existed between the 7th and 13th centuries around the confluence of the Volga and Kama rivers in what is now Russia. Today, Republics of Tatarstan and Chuvashia are considered to be descendants of Volga Bulgaria in terms of territory and ethnicity"

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-23, 16:09

"It is thought that the territory of Volga Bulgaria was originally settled by the Finno-Ugric peoples. The Turkic[1] Bulgars moved into the area in about AD 660, commanded by Kotrag Khan, Kubrat's son. Some Bulgar tribes, however, continued westward and after many adventures settled along the Danube River, in what is now known as Bulgaria proper, where they merged with or were assimilated by the Slavs, adopting a South Slavic tongue and an Eastern Orthodox faith."
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Postby Erol » 2007-01-23, 16:11

"A large part of the region's population was Turkic and included Bulgars, Suars, Barsil, Bilars, Baranjars and part of Burtas (by ibn Rustah). Modern Chuvashes and Kazan Tatars descend from the Volga Bulgars, although linguistic evidence suggests that the Chuvashes represent an earlier Turkic ethnos [2], which may be connected to the Huns. Another part comprised Finnic and Magyaric (Asagel and Pascatir) tribes, from which Bisermäns and Tatars probably descend.
Commanding the Volga River in its middle course, the state controlled much of trade between Europe and Asia prior to the Crusades (which made other trade routes practicable). The capital, Bolghar, was a thriving city, rivalling in size and wealth the greatest centres of Islamic world. Trade partners of Bolghar included from Viking, Bjarmland, Yugra and Nenets at the north to Baghdad and Constantinople in the south, from Western Europe to China at the East. Other major cities included Bilär, Suar (Suwar), Qaşan (Kashan) and Cükätaw (Juketaw). Modern cities Kazan and Yelabuga were founded as Volga Bulgaria's border fortresses."

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Postby Erol » 2007-01-23, 17:12

The First Bulgarian State ; The Old Great Bulgaria & then Volga Bulgaria ;

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/33/Volga_Bulgaria1.jpg

Volga Bulgaria in its hey day from Arctic Ocean to Caspian Sea , a true northern state;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Grea ... 1.jpg#file
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