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zhiguli wrote:eskandar wrote:0stsee wrote:I've listened to the Youtube clips a couple of times, and somehow I didn't perceive any particular lisping.
I think Zhiguli was referring to the presence of [θ] and [ð] (th and dh) instead of [s] and [z] in Turkmen, which may sound like lisping to some.
this is indeed what i meant, and i can't think of any other language where s/z has been completely replaced by θ/ð.
if you listen to the first lesson on the indiana university website you'll hear them very clearly say "thalam", "eththalawmu aleyküm", "türkmeniththan", etc.
Türkmeni söýýän wrote:Have to say Turkmen has been a pain to learn; not enough information, the best I can find is the Turkmen reference grammar, and IT'S NOT EVEN FREE. That's just wrong. The one free grammar I was able to find, was free but was sorely lacking in info. There's not enough information as it is. I plan on getting the word out. As a matter of fact, with all rare languages, the information needs to be free so that as many learners as possible have a chance. I was tenacious enough and I found the GRAMMAIRE DESCRIPTIVE DE TURKMENE À L'USAGE DES FRANCOPHONES. Luckily being bilingual in English and Castilian gives me a two-fold advantage: 1) I'm a native speaker of modern English larded with french words, so I can make out a fair amount already. 2) Speaking Castilian, I know a romance language. The other advantages, I know the differences, and i have many translation services at my disposal. Also I hope my tenacity pays off, I'll be making youtube videos in the future hopefully. I found la grammaire from the Persian version. So by using the two, I can fill in the symbols that didn't show in the word version from the pdf. And hopefully I'll have the french translated. I'll be posting in the future. And it's not a language spoken with a lisp, that would be like saying English is spoken with a lisp. First of all, a lisp is when you don't pronounce according to the norm or pronounce an s (unvoiced alveolar fricative) with a th (unvoiced interdental fricative). Instead I have termed Turkmen as the apex theta language. since it uses the voice and unvoiced interdental fricatives, whereas most languages with them usually feature the alveolar fricatives as well (s, z). But seeing as so-called lispers I've heard don't exhibit this, then I conclude a lisp don't exist, just so it's clear.
księżycowy wrote:Türkmeni söýýän wrote:Have to say Turkmen has been a pain to learn; not enough information, the best I can find is the Turkmen reference grammar, and IT'S NOT EVEN FREE. That's just wrong. The one free grammar I was able to find, was free but was sorely lacking in info. There's not enough information as it is. I plan on getting the word out. As a matter of fact, with all rare languages, the information needs to be free so that as many learners as possible have a chance. I was tenacious enough and I found the GRAMMAIRE DESCRIPTIVE DE TURKMENE À L'USAGE DES FRANCOPHONES. Luckily being bilingual in English and Castilian gives me a two-fold advantage: 1) I'm a native speaker of modern English larded with french words, so I can make out a fair amount already. 2) Speaking Castilian, I know a romance language. The other advantages, I know the differences, and i have many translation services at my disposal. Also I hope my tenacity pays off, I'll be making youtube videos in the future hopefully. I found la grammaire from the Persian version. So by using the two, I can fill in the symbols that didn't show in the word version from the pdf. And hopefully I'll have the french translated. I'll be posting in the future. And it's not a language spoken with a lisp, that would be like saying English is spoken with a lisp. First of all, a lisp is when you don't pronounce according to the norm or pronounce an s (unvoiced alveolar fricative) with a th (unvoiced interdental fricative). Instead I have termed Turkmen as the apex theta language. since it uses the voice and unvoiced interdental fricatives, whereas most languages with them usually feature the alveolar fricatives as well (s, z). But seeing as so-called lispers I've heard don't exhibit this, then I conclude a lisp don't exist, just so it's clear.
I best textbook I've found is the one I linked too above (though I haven't looked into non-English textbooks).
I really like Dunwoody Press because they put out a ton of good textbooks for lesser-know languages. I also have their Uzbek and Kazakh textbook, and both are great, especially the Uzbek.
But you have to expect to pay a good buck to get them, and you seem like you're looking for free stuff. Good luck!
voron wrote:There are two textbooks for Turkmen available on the site whose-name-we-should-not-pronounce, both in Russian:
Н.Реджепов, Учебник туркменского языка для взрослых, 1993
Э.Грунина, Туркменский язык, 2005
I'm starting to appreciate being a native speaker of Russian...
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