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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-15, 22:50

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rmanoj wrote:In Chennai today for a job interview. Let's see if I can at least buy some cigarettes in Tamil.

(எனக்கு) cigarettes கொடுங்களா?

Lol

I thought maybe cigarette was சுருட்டு or something.

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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-16, 1:10

Oh, maybe. Also, I checked with my dad about two things:

1) My response of நான் இங்கேதான் versus நான் இங்கே இருக்கிறேன். According to my dad, both work. The first one is more of an emphasis, which is what I suspected. It's like saying "I am here" or "I'm here". The second one is just a normal response, no emphasis or nuance.

2) The lesson we just did - Lesson 8 - uses the word தேதி for date, but according to my dad that's more Indian Tamil. The word my uncle had used in his corrections, திகதி, is more of the Sri Lankan word. I tried texting my dad to ask if the sentence இன்றைக்கு நொவெம்பர் பதினைந்ராம் தேதி is correct, and he said yes, except for the above. So, I guess for me, I should say இன்றைக்கு நொவெம்பர் பதினைந்தாம் திகதி. Also, according to my dad, Sri Lankans say that as /θijəθi/, which I find interesting because based on the writing and the general SL Tamil pronunciation rules, I would think it'd be /θihəθi/ or /θixəθi/.
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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-16, 1:14

Don't you mean they say [t̪iˈjəd̪i]? That's what we say in Malayalam, too. Unlike in Tamil, we also spell it that way.

[h] and [j] are both basically approximants, so it's not surprising to me that they'd alternate and you'd get [j] after [ i ].

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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-16, 1:37

vijayjohn wrote:Don't you mean they say [t̪iˈjəd̪i]? That's what we say in Malayalam, too. Unlike in Tamil, we also spell it that way.

[h] and [j] are both basically approximants, so it's not surprising to me that they'd alternate and you'd get [j] after [ i ].

Right, sorry, I forgot that it's the dental stops. I claim distraction...
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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-16, 5:54

I know, księżycowy is so distracting! (No, I'm not the same way at all!) :whistle:

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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-16, 6:45

vijayjohn wrote:I know, księżycowy is so distracting! (No, I'm not the same way at all!) :whistle:

யாரா, நீ? இல்லை!
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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2018-11-16, 9:12

dEhiN wrote:யாரா, நீ? இல்லை!

You're talking about me behind my back! I knew it!

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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby rmanoj » 2018-11-16, 12:57

I *think* I got the job, but I'm just waiting for the formal offer to be sure.
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vijayjohn wrote:I know, księżycowy is so distracting! (No, I'm not the same way at all!) :whistle:

யாரா, நீ? இல்லை!


My instinct would be to say
யார், நீயா? இல்லை!

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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-16, 18:55

I'm inclined to agree. :P
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dEhiN wrote:யாரா, நீ? இல்லை!

You're talking about me behind my back! I knew it!

Actually, that remark was about me. :lol:
rmanoj wrote:I *think* I got the job, but I'm just waiting for the formal offer to be sure.

Ah, but did you get cigarettes? :silly:

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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-17, 21:51

księżycowy wrote:
dEhiN wrote:யாரா, நீ? இல்லை!

You're talking about me behind my back! I knew it!

No, as Vijay said, it was about him. I basically said "Who, you? No!"

rmanoj wrote:I *think* I got the job, but I'm just waiting for the formal offer to be sure.

How do you say congratulations in Tamil? In Malayalam? (Also, if you don't mind me asking, what is the job?)

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dEhiN wrote:யாரா, நீ? இல்லை!


My instinct would be to say
யார், நீயா? இல்லை!

I knew the interrogative suffix came in somewhere. I actually wanted to say, "No, not at all", but wasn't sure how to add that sort of emphasis in Tamil apart from just repeating இல்லை.

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rmanoj wrote:I *think* I got the job, but I'm just waiting for the formal offer to be sure.

Ah, but did you get cigarettes? :silly:

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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-18, 5:02

dEhiN wrote:How do you say congratulations in Tamil? In Malayalam?

No idea about Tamil; in Malayalam, we say [əbʱiˈnən̪n̪ənəŋŋəɭ] (or maybe [əbʱiˈnən̪d̪ənəŋŋəɭ], but I'm pretty sure my dad would say the former, i.e. with geminate [n̪n̪]). It's a Sanskrit loanword that I don't think exists in Tamil.
I actually wanted to say, "No, not at all", but wasn't sure how to add that sort of emphasis in Tamil apart from just repeating இல்லை.

I know a (very short Christian evangelical) song with the word இல்லையே in it, which I think is an emphatic form of இல்லை.

Anyway, what do we do next? Lesson 9 for next week?

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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-18, 6:01

vijayjohn wrote:Anyway, what do we do next? Lesson 9 for next week?

Yeah, that works for me.
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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-18, 6:06

நான் கால அட்டவணையை மாற்றிவிட்டேன். :)

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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-18, 6:12

vijayjohn wrote:நான் கால அட்டவணையை மாற்றிவிட்டேன். :)

சரி தம்பி, நல்ல வேலை. நன்றி. :D
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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-18, 6:15

dEhiN wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:நான் கால அட்டவணையை மாற்றிவிட்டேன். :)

சரி தம்பி, நல்ல வேலை. நன்றி. :D

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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby rmanoj » 2018-11-18, 9:31

dEhiN wrote:[
rmanoj wrote:I *think* I got the job, but I'm just waiting for the formal offer to be sure.

How do you say congratulations in Tamil? In Malayalam? (Also, if you don't mind me asking, what is the job?)

வாழ்த்துக்கள், maybe? And thanks!

The job is basically the same as my current one―sub-editor at a news publication.

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vijayjohn wrote:
rmanoj wrote:I *think* I got the job, but I'm just waiting for the formal offer to be sure.

Ah, but did you get cigarettes? :silly:

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I didn't need to. I finished the packet I'd brought with me just before I boarded the return flight. :)

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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-18, 23:44

rmanoj wrote:வாழ்த்துக்கள், maybe?

I know that word, I don't know why I didn't think of it! I think because I learned of it in the context of பிறந்தநாள் வாழ்த்துக்கள், and so I learned it as "wishing". Incidentally, my dad would correct me when I would say பிறந்தநாள் வாழ்த்துக்கள், and tell me it's பிறந்தநாள் வாழ்த்துகள், where வாழ்த்துகள் means "wishes".
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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-19, 0:06

In Malayalam, those words sound like they have to do with blessing. :P

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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby dEhiN » 2018-11-19, 3:29

தமிழில் வாழ்த்து "wish" பேசுது. In Tamil, வாழ்த்து means "wish". At least, that what I was taught. However, according to Agarathi, வாழ்த்து can mean anything from praise, benediction, congratulation, applaud, felicitation, etc.
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Re: Tamil Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2018-11-19, 5:48

I think that would be வாழ்த்துக்கு, and பேசுது in செந்தமிழ் would be பேசுகிறது.

I'm wondering whether I can find a short dialogue or something (that you haven't seen already, of course) in either Tamil or Malayalam that you might understand. :P


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