Is pigeon considered a Hawaiin dialect?

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Is pigeon considered a Hawaiin dialect?

Postby descrambler » 2012-01-10, 18:46

Is pigeon considered a Hawaiin dialect? Or is it considered slang type junk?
Is it respected or frowned upon? It seems like a lot of Hawaiins use this dialect, is it comparable to possibly ebonics in the states?

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Re: Is pigeon considered a Hawaiin dialect?

Postby ''' » 2012-01-11, 0:34

I assume you mean pidgin, not pigeon, which is a bird, and fom a linguistics perspective, most pidgins are not viewed as languages or dialects, they're ad-hoc media of communication combining any or all of the languages of the relelvant parties, but if pidgin in hawaii has taken on it's own meaning, I don't know
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Re: Is pigeon considered a Hawaiin dialect?

Postby mōdgethanc » 2012-01-11, 0:51

Hawaiian Pidgin isn't based on Hawaiian. It's based on English.

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Re: Is pigeon considered a Hawaiin dialect?

Postby linguoboy » 2012-01-11, 1:29

''' wrote:I assume you mean pidgin, not pigeon, which is a bird, and fom a linguistics perspective, most pidgins are not viewed as languages or dialects, they're ad-hoc media of communication combining any or all of the languages of the relelvant parties, but if pidgin in hawaii has taken on it's own meaning, I don't know

But the name "pidgin" often persists even when the variety in question has ceased to be ad-hoc. Hawai'ian Pidgin English is considered a creole because it has L1 speakers and for that reason is often referred to in linguistic circles as "Hawai'ian Creole English". But the Hawai'ians themselves just call it "Pidgin".
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Re: Is pigeon considered a Hawaiin dialect?

Postby ILuvEire » 2012-01-11, 2:51

Linguoboy's got it. Pidgin is definitely a language (although pigeon is a bird ;) ) although it's not based on Hawai‘ian. It has a lot of Hawai‘ian and Japanese words in it though.
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