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Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-16, 8:56
by księżycowy
I feel like we kind of stole this group from Antea. :lol:

So, shall we actually do something, or was that all talk?

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-16, 18:56
by vijayjohn
Maybe we can wait for Antea.

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-16, 18:58
by księżycowy
I'm fine with that. :)

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-16, 19:49
by Antea
Sorry, I am here, kind of. It has been a terrible week with lots of work, and I was a little bit stressed. But now it’s better. Have you picked up a resource? I was using that really old compendium book that I posted sometime ago in the Coptic thread (ancient and extinct languages), but I don’t know if that’s the most adequate. :hmm:

There are also some videos available in YouTube.

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-16, 19:51
by Antea
I am also watching this (from Egyptian Arabic dialect to Coptic)

https://youtu.be/T87eB-CA_TU

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-16, 20:04
by księżycowy
I think we've picked Introduction to Sahidic Coptic by Lambdin. Keyword think.

What pace do you guys want to go at?

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-16, 22:00
by vijayjohn
I think I've asked this before in another study group in response to the same question, but what pace would you like to go at? :P
Antea wrote:I am also watching this (from Egyptian Arabic dialect to Coptic)

Huh, that's pretty interesting! Thanks! :)
księżycowy wrote:I think we've picked Introduction to Sahidic Coptic by Lambdin. Keyword think.

That's my understanding as well.

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-16, 22:09
by księżycowy
Well, since I keep having to be the one to figure out the pace, how about the whole book by the end of the month?

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-16, 22:20
by vijayjohn
:lol:

Okay, how about we start next week with the alphabet? Is everyone in this group sort of familiar with the Greek alphabet? :hmm:

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-16, 22:43
by księżycowy
Ok, how about the Introduction (pages vii-xvii) by either next week (11/25) or the week after (12/2)?

EDIT: I wouldn't mind bi-weekly check-ins, rather than weekly, myself.

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-17, 4:00
by vijayjohn
Either way is fine for me.

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-17, 8:15
by Antea
I already know the Coptic alphabet, it’s like the Greek but with some letters more (but usually there are no fonts).

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-17, 20:35
by dEhiN
vijayjohn wrote:And I learned that there are efforts to revive the Coptic language inside the church, but also that there is an entire political party in Egypt called the Liberal Egyptian Party whose goals include the revival of the Egyptian language and/or Coptic and recognizing Egyptian Arabic (instead of Modern Standard Arabic) as the official language of Egypt.

The revival efforts are, from what I remember reading, based on another dialect of Coptic than what we will be studying. Also, that political party apparently dissolved in 2011 and merged with another party to form a third party. I didn't look into the ideal of the newly-formed party, though.

księżycowy wrote:Ok, how about the Introduction (pages vii-xvii) by either next week (11/25) or the week after (12/2)?

EDIT: I wouldn't mind bi-weekly check-ins, rather than weekly, myself.

I'd prefer to try for bi-weekly as well, especially if we're going to try and do the full Introduction by then. It's been a while since I last did Koine Greek, and though I remember the alphabet for the most part, depending on how different the phonology is with Coptic, the Introduction won't simply be a review. Plus, there is also things like the part about stress, etc.

Antea wrote:I already know the Coptic alphabet, it’s like the Greek but with some more letters more (but usually there are no fonts).

Do you think you could update the first post with each weekly (or biweekly) assignment? You don't have to, but I find it helpful.

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-17, 23:27
by księżycowy
Did I suggest too much? :P

I was thinking it should be mostly a quick read.

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-18, 5:30
by vijayjohn
I personally don't think you suggested too much. :hmm:
dEhiN wrote:The revival efforts are, from what I remember reading, based on another dialect of Coptic than what we will be studying.

Yeah, modern revival efforts are based on Bohairic (from Lower Egypt), not Sahidic (from Upper Egypt).
Also, that political party apparently dissolved in 2011 and merged with another party to form a third party. I didn't look into the ideal of the newly-formed party, though.

I didn't know that, but yeah, the new party doesn't seem to have any clear linguistic policies/goals FWICT.

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-18, 6:09
by dEhiN
I don't think you suggested too much either. Reading all of this plus the stuff in the Old English group will be a bit challenging, but the 10 pages for this group is doable.

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-18, 7:13
by vijayjohn
I'm having the darnedest time trying to wrap my head around the alphabet for some weird reason. :lol:

EDIT: OK, I'm reading the part about the alphabet in the book after having tried to read about it on Wikipedia, and now, it's not so weird anymore. I think I just needed a bit of time to get over some of the Coptic-specific characters (including some of the Greek-derived ones!). :P

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-18, 7:31
by dEhiN
vijayjohn wrote:I'm having the darnedest time trying to wrap my head around the alphabet for some weird reason. :lol:

EDIT: OK, I'm reading the part about the alphabet in the book after having tried to read about it on Wikipedia, and now, it's not so weird anymore. I think I just needed a bit of time to get over some of the Coptic-specific characters (including some of the Greek-derived ones!). :P

So would you recommend I check out about the Coptic alphabet on Wikipedia first, and then try the book?

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-18, 7:53
by vijayjohn
dEhiN wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:I'm having the darnedest time trying to wrap my head around the alphabet for some weird reason. :lol:

EDIT: OK, I'm reading the part about the alphabet in the book after having tried to read about it on Wikipedia, and now, it's not so weird anymore. I think I just needed a bit of time to get over some of the Coptic-specific characters (including some of the Greek-derived ones!). :P

So would you recommend I check out about the Coptic alphabet on Wikipedia first, and then try the book?

You might find it helpful especially if you're kind of frustrated, like I was, about the letters being so fucking small in the book. :P Wikipedia (this article, in this particular case) has a good habit of presenting each symbol in each script in a nice, large font.

Re: Coptic Study group

Posted: 2018-11-18, 9:53
by księżycowy
Break out the magnifying glasses!