I've seen the breves more often, which I prefer since it says "we think this was some kind of high front vowel and this was some kind of high back vowel, but that's it".sa wulfs wrote:Yeah, I've been doing more research since I posted this thread, emailing some scholars and the like, and it would seem the consensus is that by this era they hadn't been dropped yet, although their pronunciation isn't clear (perhaps something in the vicinity of [ɵ], [ɤ] or even [ɯ̽] for ъ, and [ɪ], [ɪ̈] or [ɘ] for ь). Using the yers themselves when transliterating is common practice, but ŭ and ĭ, and ' and '', are also used, giving Rusь, Rus' or Rusĭ for Роусь.
Problems with that: a) we don't know how exactly they were pronounced b) <ě> is already used for the letter yat which was something like [jæ].However, one professor recommended me to use ŏ and ě as an unorthodox but more faithful way to represent their pronunciation ca. 1000 AD.
Makes sense. But like sa wulfs said, there would've been some OCS influence on it (which you still see in modern Russian).Levente wrote:I thought Old Church Slavonic was Old Bulgarian
and that Old East Slavic was the ancestor of Russian, Ukrainian and Belorussian.
Isn't it so?
mōdgethanc wrote:b) <ě> is already used for the letter yat which was something like [jæ].
Mulder-21 wrote:OES is the parent language of not just Russian, but also Ukrainian and Belarusian.
sa wulfs wrote:Hi folks,
Does anybody here have a good knowledge of early Old East Slavic? I'm trying to do some research for a project and I've encountered some difficulties, the biggest one being that many Modern Russian speakers seem to believe their language hasn't really changed since then, minor spelling issues aside. For example, I'm finding conflicting information about the dropping of the yers, which my Russian-speaking pals insist wouldn't affect pronunciation, but I'm fairly confident in believing that, by the late 10th century, they wouldn't have been dropped yet (in an area roughly corresponding to what's now northern Ukraine or southern Belarus).
For example, consider a fictional settlement name Дубоград (Dubograd). Would the OES form be Дубоградъ (Dubogradŭ), with the yer being pronounced? Would the linking vowel between Дуб- and -град(ъ) be different in OES? For the name of the Dnieper, I think it should be Дънѣпръ (Dŭněprŭ), with all three vowels still being pronounced circa 1000 AD, at least in careful speech, aye?
If it turns out anyone can help me, I'll probably have plenty more questions.
Quasus wrote:Obviously. I don't know how recent and widespread the coinage OES is, I just followed the current Russian practice. Anyway, it seems to me logical, since the language of Rus, Роусь, was indeed роуськы.
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