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Posted: 2009-06-10, 8:05
darkina wrote:Woooooow, I've been away so long that I had forgotten about this! How could that happen?! Glad to see it's still going, and as verbose and pedantic as ever!
Vortarulo wrote:Wow... same as German, English, French, Italian, Russian, Swahili, N|uu, Sumerian, Itelmen..............
BezierCurve wrote:I guess blablázik is relatively new to Hungarian?
nJohn West-Hungary wrote:Hi, Vortarulo !
Would You give the all for these languages ? Please...
Or that is only an empty phrase....
nJohn West-Hungary wrote:The hungarian language has more than 450 verbs for the "SPEAKS":
Are you serious? 450 "words" including things like köti az ebet a karóhoz?nJohn West-Hungary wrote:Would You give the all for these languages ? Please...Vortarulo wrote:Wow... same as German, English, French, Italian, Russian, Swahili, N|uu, Sumerian, Itelmen..............
Or that is only an empty phrase....
Vortarulo wrote:Sure, it's true for a large bunch of languages, especially as your words don't all mean plain "speak", but different nuances and even quite different concepts. Here's a list of German, which I'm most familiar with, as it's my mother tongue:
sprechen, sagen, erzählen, reden, verkünden, palavern, parlieren, fragen, ausfragen, befragen, antworten, murmeln, stottern, nuscheln, quatschen, kundtun, weissagen, entgegnen, schließen, schreien, kreischen, brüllen, labern, quasseln, plappern, rezitieren, plaudern, bedeuten, aussagen, heißen, schwatzen, ausdrücken, kakeln, klönen, berichten, melden, wiedergeben, erwähnen, mitteilen, darstellen, äußern, schnattern, faseln, schwätzen, schwafeln, ankünden, ankündigen, schwadronieren, inquirieren, bohren, beantworten, erwidern, entgegnen, widerlegen, bestätigen, brummen, brummeln, flüstern, stammeln, stocken, lallen, drucksen, radebrechen, näseln, sächseln, berlinern, ickeln, ausplaudern, kundgeben, informieren, offenbaren, vorhersagen, aufsagen, zitieren, aufklären, einfallen, einreden, jammern, klagen, wehklagen, keifen, ningeln, weinen, aufschreien, stöhnen, seufzen, winseln, rufen, beweinen, gröhlen, dröhnen, lärmen, donnern, johlen, lachen, ratschen, raten, aufklären, reimen, dichten, singen, produzieren, aussprechen, telefonieren, durchsagen, krächzen, pläken, sülzen, babbeln, schnacken...
These might not be 400-something, but with some dictionary work and more time it could easily be expanded, just as with your Hungarian list. I bet a bunch of these words are also oldfashioned, dialectal or extremely seldom. Probably many of them have a very delimited context. Just as with my German list here...
So Hungarian isn't weird at all in having hundreds of words describing various speech acts.
nJohn West-Hungary wrote:In Hungarian language are about 1.500.000 ----- 2.000.000 LEXEMA
In German language are about 450.000 ----600.000 LEXEMA
In English language are about 800.000 ---1.200.000 LEXEMA
This is so incredibly stupid.
How come you guys kept this thread going for so many pages?
Vortarulo wrote:I could inflate this list by adding prefixes such as auf-, zu-, ein-, an- etc. and include phrases like "Gespräch anfangen", "Rede halten", "Vortrag halten", "Worte machen" and stuff like that.
''' wrote:but the actual list of igekötők is 13 long.
be-
ki-
le-
fel-
meg-
el-
át-
rá-
ide-
oda-
szét-
össze-
vissza-
nJohn West-Hungary wrote:What is that "actual" ?
At JAKAB (1976) : 62
at Komlósy (1992: 495-7) : 90
at Kiefer (2000): 32
Base round: 13 ( as You wrote), but these are the best frequent.
1st round: 32
2nd round: 90
''' wrote:nJohn West-Hungary wrote:What is that "actual" ?
At JAKAB (1976) : 62
at Komlósy (1992: 495-7) : 90
at Kiefer (2000): 32
Base round: 13 forms ( as You wrote), but these are the best frequent.
1st round: 32 forms
2nd round: 90 forms
most ezek mik voltak?