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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-10, 22:58

Not at all.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-11, 16:56

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-02-11, 17:56

Calm down, I was busy writing out all those dumb-ass dialogues I wrote in Polish to join you in that group! :lol:

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-11, 18:01

I was actually just taking note of that because I happened to notice it in TYI, and I liked it. :P

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-02-18, 6:05

Okay, so księżycowy and I have decided to go back to where we left off in TYI. I'm going to try to make him actually stick to it instead of flip-flopping between resources.

Here are my answers for Lesson 5! :)
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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby linguoboy » 2019-02-18, 15:32

vijayjohn wrote:4. The priest has read the Holy Mass. (The answer key says, "The priest has said (read) Mass").

"Read" might be colloquial in Irish English, but in NA English I've only ever heard "said".

vijayjohn wrote:8. Tá na buidéil briste ag na garsúin garsúnaibh.

I'm sure you know, but the dative plural here was already obsolescent at the time the book was written. Your version is probably the only one you'd hear today.
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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-02-18, 16:18

linguoboy wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:4. The priest has read the Holy Mass. (The answer key says, "The priest has said (read) Mass").

"Read" might be colloquial in Irish English, but in NA English I've only ever heard "said".

That's funny because I don't recall ever encountering "said" in my life, only "read"! Maybe that's how Indian Catholics (and perhaps some other Indian Christians as well) say it in English, too.
I'm sure you know, but the dative plural here was already obsolescent at the time the book was written. Your version is probably the only one you'd hear today.

No, actually, I didn't know that at all, so thanks! :shock: Wikipedia seems to suggest that the dative plural in general is limited to "old-fashioned literary style." Is that accurate?

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-18, 16:23

The book does specify the dative case thing, but not in a convienent place. See the footnote on pg 65.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-18, 17:04

In an attempt to review the lessons before Lesson V (especially the whole writing Irish thing):

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby linguoboy » 2019-02-18, 17:19

księżycowy wrote:tuirseacht
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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-18, 17:59

Go raibh maith agat, a chara!

And, just to clarify, I still plan to go through both Connacht resources I have (Learning Irish and Colloquial Irish). I just figure let's get a solid base of Munster (which is where I started) before getting into other dialects.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby kevin » 2019-02-18, 18:39

księżycowy wrote:Exercise 2
Tá na bóthair bóithre díreach.

Exercise 4
10. An bhfuil an shúil tsúil tinn?
12. Tá an théad téad tirim.
14. Tá an tsráid ana-chiúin.


księżycowy wrote:I just figure let's get a solid base of Munster (which is where I started) before getting into other dialects.

Mar sin de, tá díomá orm nár bhain tú úsáid as "táid" agus "nílid".

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-02-18, 18:50

księżycowy wrote:An bhfuil na buidéil folamh? Níl.

The answer key says nílid.
Ná fuil na boscaí ullamh?

3. An bhfuil na sciana sceana glan?
4. Níl, tá siad salach.

The answer key says nílid, táid siad salach.
5. Tá na doras doirse dúnta agus tá na fuinneoige fuinneoga ar oscailt.

Here also, the answer key uses táid.
7. Níl, tá siad cam.

And here again it says nílid, táid siad cam.
8. An bhfuil na muca díolta? Tá.

Here it says táid.

EDIT: Sorry, never noticed kevin's post for some reason! :shock:
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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-18, 20:17

Which is weird, 'cause the lesson itself doesn't even teach táid or nílid.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby kevin » 2019-02-18, 20:26

Time to change resources. :P

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-18, 20:30

kevin wrote:Time to change resources. :P

Definately!

To Lesson II! :silly:

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-02-18, 21:12

księżycowy wrote:Which is weird, 'cause the lesson itself doesn't even teach táid or nílid.

They have a brief note introducing them and telling you to use them just before Exercise 2, though.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-18, 21:18

I thought I remembered being told about it, but I couldn't find where! Go raibh maith agat!

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-02-18, 21:30

Níl a bhuíochas ort!

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby kevin » 2019-03-10, 22:39

Cá huair a dhéanfaidh sibh an chéad ceacht eile?


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