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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-02-04, 18:41

księżycowy wrote:
The answer key actually says cé as tusa?, but apparently, that was a typo on their part. Idk, I thought that was kind of interesting because of the discussion on this thread we had about that earlier. :P

They also say in the chapter that lenited forms of the propositional pronouns tend to be used, but they are spelled in the standard way (i.e. not lenited). So......

They do? Where?? EDIT: Which page? :hmm:
Is as Scríob ó dhúchas é.

There's no is in this phrase (in the book).

But there should be, right? :hmm:

No, it's optional. They say in the first sentence on p. 14 after the dialogue that you can say e.g. either is as ____ mé or just as _____ mé.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-04, 18:46

I did not see that.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-02-04, 19:06

I still don't see the thing about lenited forms, either.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-04, 19:13

The bottom of pg 26.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby kevin » 2019-02-04, 20:06

vijayjohn wrote:EDIT: Oh, and in Munster, it's just cé as duit?.

"Cad as duit", I think.

Generally, "cé + preposition" is preferred in Connacht, "cad + preposition" in Munster and "cá + preposition" in Ulster.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-02-04, 20:42

Oh, sorry, yes, cad as duit.

And thanks, księżycowy! :)

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-07, 10:59

Unit 2

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-02-08, 2:41

For questions #3 and #4 in Exercise 4, the answer key says ar an instead of sa even though the directions say to use sa, san, or sna. :roll:

So I guess it's ar an gCnoc and ar an Tulaigh (instead of sa gCnoc and sa Tulaigh)?

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-08, 9:05

As much as I love the dialogues, this textbook does kinda suck. Just saying.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby kevin » 2019-02-08, 10:08

vijayjohn wrote:So I guess it's ar an gCnoc and ar an Tulaigh (instead of sa gCnoc and sa Tulaigh)?

Unless it's a subterranean settlement, I guess.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby linguoboy » 2019-02-08, 12:47

vijayjohn wrote:So I guess it's ar an gCnoc and ar an Tulaigh (instead of sa gCnoc and sa Tulaigh)?

sa Chnoc in any case.

And if we’re doing proper Munster, ar an dTulaigh
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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby kevin » 2019-02-08, 12:51

They are doing proper Connacht at the moment, so eclipsis in sa gCnoc is correct.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby Lur » 2019-02-08, 13:16

I'm not gonna say anything useful, but this is both tempting and scary looking to me right now :lol:
Geurea dena lapurtzen uzteagatik, geure izaerari uko egiteagatik.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-08, 14:35

Join us........

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby silmeth » 2019-02-08, 14:51

vijayjohn wrote:No, it's optional. They say in the first sentence on p. 14 after the dialogue that you can say e.g. either is as ____ mé or just as _____ mé.


My impression is that the present copula is at the beginning of the sentence is optional basically always.

It doesn’t seem to me to be optional when it is in the middle (and acts as a direct relative copula), like in X is ainm dom or an rud is fearr though.
polszczyzna jest moją mową ojczystą (pl), Is Gaelainn na Mumhan atá á foghlaim agam (ga) ((ga-M)), mám, myslím, dobrou znalost češtiny, rozumím a něco mluvím (cs), Jeg lærer meg bokmål på Duolingo (no-nb) (og eg ville lære nynorsk ein gong (no-nn))

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-08, 14:58

Interesting, I never knew that.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby linguoboy » 2019-02-08, 15:16

kevin wrote:They are doing proper Connacht at the moment, so eclipsis in sa gCnoc is correct.

Gobh m' leithscíal! Comáinig libh!
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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-02-08, 15:36

Hey, I never complain about learning proper Munster grammar or vocabulary. :wink:

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-02-09, 3:26

"Comáinig"?
Lur wrote:I'm not gonna say anything useful, but this is both tempting and scary looking to me right now :lol:

Irish has a way of being both tempting and scary. :P

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby linguoboy » 2019-02-09, 5:14

vijayjohn wrote:"Comáinig"?

= Comáinidh
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