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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-06, 19:52

I would be more than willing to share, if you want Linguoboy. Just send me a PM if you're interested. :)

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby kevin » 2019-01-07, 0:00

księżycowy wrote:Anyway, does anyone want to go through Colloquial Irish with us? kevin?

You mean in the semiactive way I participated before? Basically correcting what you write and answering questions when I can? I read everything posted here anyway, so I'm in for that.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-07, 0:04

However you want to do it. :yep:

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-07, 15:13

You know what? At the risk of pissing Vijay (and maybe the rest of you :P ) off, I do want to stick with Munster after all. I've put too much effort into getting readers and other supplemental resources to ditch it.

Plus I made it quite far the last time.

Unless someone can convince me to switch back to Connacht. :lol:


Eh, I just want to learn how to speak and use the language, not just read old books (even though I love to read older literature). So nevermind.

Though I am curious, how hard might it be to learn to use more than one dialect? Certainly I see the logic in committing to one at the start, but it shouldn't be that hard to pick up another one after reaching good ground in another. Should it?
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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-07, 16:08

In other news, it looks like the authors of Colloquial Irish are finally trying to bring Colloquial Irish 2 into the light. Here's hoping the funding doesn't fall through.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby silmeth » 2019-01-07, 16:44

I’d say learn whatever you have resources, just be aware which dialect it is. If you want to communicate in Irish, read press in Irish, etc., you’ll encounter all the dialects, and sometimes possibly even Manx and Scottish Gaelic too, so it’s important to at least be familiar with them enough to have passive understanding.

If you want to focus on a single dialect, do it in your writing – if you do exercises to a textbook, or if you write in Irish on the web, or if you write an Irish-language diary, try to use that dialect’s forms and idioms, but still learn to read and understand the other ones.

And Munster dialect with its all synthetic verb forms, consistently pronounced consonant in -aidh, -aigh, and /mn/, /kn/, etc. instead of the rest-of-the-Gaeldom /mr/, /kr/, etc. is cool. :P

TLDR: IMO learn from whatever good sources you have, and learn it all, just be aware of the dialect of the particular source.
polszczyzna jest moją mową ojczystą (pl), Is Gaelainn na Mumhan atá á foghlaim agam (ga) ((ga-M)), mám, myslím, dobrou znalost češtiny, rozumím a něco mluvím (cs), Jeg lærer meg bokmål på Duolingo (no-nb) (og eg ville lære nynorsk ein gong (no-nn))

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-07, 16:56

Dzięki! I think that's exactly what I shall do! I'll start with Connacht, move on the Munster, and take it from there!

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-01-07, 17:19

You do realize that's pretty much what I've been doing with you anyway, right? :P

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-07, 17:22

Doing what?

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-01-07, 18:16

In this study group, I started out doing Connacht (this is also the variety I intend to focus on, actually, since it's the one I started out learning several years ago), and then I switched over to Munster so I could do TYI with you.

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-07, 18:27

I'm happy to help. :twisted:

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-08, 20:37

So, the only text I have for Connacht Irish that isn't in a textbook is Scothscéalta by Pádraic Ó Conaire. Do you feel it's reasonable to go through that as we learn the dialect?

Here's the first page for reference:
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All my other reading materials are in Munster Irish.
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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby kevin » 2019-01-08, 22:45

Cén fáth nach mbeadh?

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-08, 23:05

Sin é an fáth?

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-01-09, 13:36

Ní thuigim. Cad é sin a dúirt tú? :hmm:
księżycowy wrote:I'm happy to help. :twisted:

My point, just to be clear, is that considering that this is what I've been doing all along, it should work out just fine for you, too. :)

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-09, 14:31

Ok, I'm switching back to English for clarity-sake.

I'm just wondering if it would be too hard to dive into Scothscéalta. Granted, I wanted this to be a challenge, but I don't want it to be too much of a challenge. :P

I have easier reading material, but it's in the Munster dialect, so.....
I'm more than willing to give Scothscéalta a try. I just want to know what you think Vijay.

(As a side note: I can't help but pronounce the book title with [h] for the last <t>. :lol: )

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby linguoboy » 2019-01-09, 16:38

księżycowy wrote:(As a side note: I can't help but pronounce the book title with [h] for the last <t>. :lol: )

Maith an fear thu!
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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-01-10, 1:12

Yeah, it sounds like it could be a bit too much. Why don't we try out doing Colloquial first and then see how it works out? :)

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-10, 8:58

I wish I had the Connacht set of easy readers.

Maybe I'll see how much they'd cost. :hmm:

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Re: Irish Study Group

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-10, 12:39

Eh, there's no sense in getting the same stories in a different dialect. I'll hold on to learning as long as I can hold off the urge to learn Munster. :P

I've started updating the first post accordingly.

EDIT: I forgot that I also have An Chéad Chloch by Fádric Ó Conaire. I think I'll start working through the title short story, with or without Vijay.


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