Irish Study Group

[linguoboy]

*iarraid

Although there are exceptions (chiefly in compounds and a couple of adverbs), caol le caol agus leathan le leathan should be absolutely pounded into your head by now.

[księżycowy]

Aside from the occasional brain fart, I'd say that's true. I immediately got why you highlighted that in red.

[silmeth]

I don't think it's a good idea to talk about "tá" as the singular form. That might become very confusing. It is simply the analytic form that is used in all cases where you don't use a synthetic form, both singular and plural.

I agree, that speaking about analytical form is clearer, although it is (or was?) possible in Munster to use the plural synthetic form with explicit (pro)nominal subject. táid siad is afaik still common, and one can find sentences like chuadar na fir abhaile (instead of analytic chuaigh na fir abhaile) in Séadna, or even gháireadar an chuideachta even though in this sentence the subject is grammatically singular!, it just denotes a group of people (something like the company were doing… in English).

But, anyway, I think even in Ua Laoghaire’s works this older use of 3rd person plural synthetic forms with a subject is more common in the past tense than in the present.

[księżycowy]

Time to finish off Lesson 2!

Exercise 7:

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A1. Léimíd (Léimair?) na leabhair. [I assume the <gh> drops in both forms.]
2. Ólann an garsún an bainne.
3. Ní thuigid.
4. Titeann sibh.
5. Caithim an t-airgead.
6. Glanair / Glanann tú an scian.
7. Dúnaid an doras, ach ní dhúnaid an fhuinneog.
8. An dtuigeann sibh?
9. An gcreideann sé?
10. Ní chreideann sé.
11. Scríobhann sé an litir.
12. Ceileann sé an fhirinne.
B1. Thuigeadar an focail.
2. Ar chreid an sagart an garsúin?
3. Chaillis an t-airgead. / Chailleabhair an t-airgead.
4. Ar bhuail sé an gadhar?
5. Líonamair na buidéil.
6. Ar ól na garsúin an t-úisce?
7. Níor ól, ach óladar an bainne.
8. Ar léis an páipéar?
9. Léigh na sagairt na leabhair.

Out of utter curiousity, I did check the answer key for B8 and B9. It's hard to tell when they want present tense or past tense sometimes (B9). Would the form I did use for B9 be the correct past tense of léim?

I was pleased to see I got the right form of the past tense of léim (in B8).

[linguoboy]

A1. Léimíd (Léamair?) na leabhair.

Leathan le leathan!

2. Ar chreid an sagart an garsúin?

An garsún nó na garsúin.

[księżycowy]

Consider those brain farts.

[linguoboy]

Consider those brain farts.

If you're spelling it wrong, that probably means you're saying it wrong, even if only in your head.

For funsies, why don't you try translating "My brain farted"? (For fart you can use leog brom [CO: lig broim] or scaoil brom [CO: scaoil broim].)

[księżycowy]

It could also mean I'm just a sloppy typer.

EDIT: Here's my attempt at "brain fart":
Scaoil bhrom m'inchinn! (I wasn't sure what to do with either leog or scaoil there. I'm rusty!)

[kevin]

A fart released your brain? (Also, why did you lenite "brom"?)

[księżycowy]

Past tense?

EDIT: I had looked up brom (broim) in teanglann and saw it was a verb as well as a bounce. I should have looked up scaoil too. I assumed it was a package deal for "fart". I assumed wrong. Now that I've looked everything up, which admittedly I should have done from the start, here we go:
Scaoil m'inchinn brom!

[księżycowy]

ceid donn, I'm basically going to say the same thing I did in the Japanese study group. I know you're not going through the resource a different way than me and Vijay, and such, so I'm not expecting you to do the exercises, aside from listening the them. You can share anything you like as we go through the lessons though

Sorry it took me a bit to post this.

[księżycowy]

More exercises!

Exercise 8:

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1. The priest's horse is lame.
2. They left the wooden box on the floor.
3. The boy's coat is very big.
4. They lost a bag of money on the road, and they are troubled and sad.
5. She left a bottle of milk and a glass of water on the table.
6. They broke the window with stones.
7. The hens are at the window.
8. The dog is under the table.
9. The boys' room is dark.
10. We shut the room's window.
11. Did you take the money from the boy? Yes.
12. The men leave the horses in the field.

[ceid donn]

Yes, I've been mainly listening to them--I've covering chapters 2-6, since the recording from archive.org starts with chapter 2, so there's less material for me to mess around with. I've done these exercises for these first handful of chapters so many times in the past, forgive me for not writing them out again. Right now, listening and shadowing--and reading out loud the exercises that aren't in the recordings--is far more beneficial for me. But don't worry, I'm following along.

[księżycowy]

Sounds good to me!

I'm sorry that the rest of us are going a bit slow.

Also, it might not matter, but if you'd like the complete audio, I recommend grabbing it off of the University of Indiana's language website (CeLT).

[kevin]

You should hurry up a bit so I can finally join in seriously.

[księżycowy]

It doesn’t help that I’m in a few other study groups, you know. (Not to mention other stuff going on.)

Out of curiousity though, what would it take for you to join seriously? Since you said that.

[księżycowy]

Exercise 9:

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1.Tá cos an ghadhair briste.
2. Léigheann sé leabhair an gharsúin. (I wasn't initially sure if it should be na or an here, but it turns out I guessed right. The boy's books.)
3. Chuireamair an t-airgead fén gcloch.
4. Tá an cat fén bhfuinneoig agus tá an gadhar ag an ndoras.
5. Ar chaillis airgead an tsagairt. (Wasn't completely sure <t> went there, but was reasonably sure.)
6. Chuir sé gloine ar an mbhóird.
7. Briseann na fir clocha ar an mbóthar.
8. Tá an fear ag ceann an bhoird.
9. Ritheann na capaill timpeall na páirce. (Technically timpeall hasn't been formally introduced yet. I also forgot feminine nouns use na in the singular genitive.)
10. Bhain sé na leabhair desna garsúnaibh / ngarsúin.
11. D'fhágamair fuinneog an tseomraTá frama ar oscailt.
12. Tá fráma na fuinneoige deisithe.

And yes, I'm starting to look through the answer key, which is a good thing at this point. Seems there's plenty more dust to be shaken off.

[kevin]

It doesn’t help that I’m in a few other study groups, you know.

I don't think that's my fault.

Out of curiousity though, what would it take for you to join seriously? Since you said that.

No idea, to be honest. I was mostly ag magadh. Now I had another look at your book, and the first interesting thing I saw was the little story at the very end. So, maybe when you're done with the book and doing something else.

2. Léigheann sé leabhair an gharsúin.

No love for pre-reform spelling?

4. Tá an cat fén bhfuinneoig agus tá an gadhar ag an ndoras.

Oh, that book still teaches dative forms? Nice. (Probably only shows how old it is, though.)

6. Chuir sé gloine ar an mbhóird.

Ha, I always knew that secretly you want to learn Ulster!

[księżycowy]

No love for pre-reform spelling?

Well, considering I want to seem like I live in this century, I probably should learn the post-reform spellings.

Oh, that book still teaches dative forms? Nice. (Probably only shows how old it is, though.)

Yes, yes. It's an old textbook. But as those of us interested in dialectal Irish know, you take what you can find.

Ha, I always knew that secretly you want to learn Ulster!

I could swear I've said before I have every intention of learning Ulster (and Connacht) Irish! I just want Munster to be my primary interest.

[księżycowy]

How do lessons 4 & 5 sound to you for this coming week, Vijay?