silmeth wrote:Haigh, cad é mar atá siḃ? Benedykt is ainm dom, is as Ṗolainn mé agus táim ag foġlaim teanga na hÉireann le cúpla bliain aċ níl mórán Gaeilge agam.
silmeth wrote:First question: less about the language itself, more about writing system – does anybody these days use dots over letter to indicate lenition (like I did above with Ṗ, ḃ, ġ etc.)? If so – is it used at all in Roman type, or only in Gaelic type? Is the latter used anywhere these days except for some memorial plates?
silmeth wrote:Second one: can you recommend any good online Irish dictionaries, which give grammatical info such as type of mutation word makes, case in which the verb takes its object etc.? For now I’m using mainly English wiktionary and Google Translate…
linguoboy wrote:Dia dhuit, a Bhenedykt! Ní ghlaofainn "teanga na hÉireann" ar Ghaeilge dá mba mise tusa, toisc gur í "teanga na hÉireann" Béarla ar na saolta seo leis agus níor mhian leat stuaic a chur ar daoine.
linguoboy wrote:With very few (idiosyncratic) exceptions, I have only seen them used in Gaelic type and that I only see used for decorative purposes. (Not just memorial plates but also jewellery inscriptions, tattoos, captions on murals, etc.)
linguoboy wrote:I'm not sure I understand the question. The mutations work the same for all words. Wiktionary is the only dictionary I've seen give mutational paradigms for particular nouns, but as you know the total inventory is only about 1,000 words. Or are you asking for information on which mutations follow particular words? This is trickier, as it often depends on syntax. And when you say "case in which the verb takes its object", do you mean whether the verb is transitive or intransitive? Because all nouns will be in the same "case" after an Irish verb (i.e. nominative-accusative if it's conjugated, genitive or nominative-accusative after a verb-noun depending on the construction).
linguoboy wrote:(And I know you didn't ask about this, but I find it a bit jarring to see cad é mar atá sibh [super-Ulster] used in the same short paragraph with táim and mórán [as Munster as the day is long]. I'm not familiar with Doyle & Gussmann; does it really mix dialects like that or is this just the natural result of having used multiple resources?)
silmeth wrote:I am not sure if I understood correctly, but still I would call Irish “teanga na hÉireann”. English might be the most used language (and de facto the first official one, despite government regulations) but I would still not call it “language of Ireland” when native Celtic language is official, is still used by some people (however small this group is). But anyway, it is political discussion which I, especially as foreigner who also doesn’t already know the speech, do not want to continue.
silmeth wrote:linguoboy wrote:With very few (idiosyncratic) exceptions, I have only seen them used in Gaelic type and that I only see used for decorative purposes. (Not just memorial plates but also jewellery inscriptions, tattoos, captions on murals, etc.)
OK, so I thought. But I can recall some Irish-language website I’ve seen a few years ago (hmm, some Irishman’s blog? dunno…) on which one could choose all texts to be displayed with dots or hs (and both rendered in Roman type).
silmeth wrote:As I said, I know almost nothing at the moment about Irish grammar, so also did not know how declension system works in this language (in particular I didn’t know if genitive can work as a direct object, eg. in Slavic languages some nouns have accusative equal to nominative while other to genitive, in some situations only genitive is used etc.).
silmeth wrote:As for mutations – yes, I meant what mutation follows given word, and in what context. That seems to be very useful information.
silmeth wrote:I still will learn from both sources (it’s easier for me to faster obtain some basic concepts of the language), but I will try to pay more attention to dialectal differences and try not to mix them in one text.
silmeth wrote:Is Úcránach mé agus ní féidir liom coimeád socair.
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