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Re: księżyc - Gaelainn

Posted: 2019-01-04, 18:26
by silmeth
I have the book, they definitely aim at caighdeánized spelling (including writing Gaeilge, dearthair, an-mhaith instead of ana-mhaith etc.). But afaik the grammatical forms, idioms, and most definitely the pronunciation taught, are Munster (but it’s not conservative Cork Munster like in Peadar Ua Laoghaire’s books, or in the TYI 1961 – I think it might try to teach more modern contemporary Munster Irish spoken in Dingle? But I am guessing here).

Anyway, I have made a pdf with all the reading texts from the book and vocabulary (the vocab translated to English), and posted it to the Facebook Irish learning group Foireann Gaeilge.

I might upload it somewhere else, or share it otherwise, but I don’t know how ok that’d be copyright-wise. I myself wouldn’t mind sharing it, though, as the book is out of print for many years anyway, and afaik never been available outside Poland.

I've also started making a Memrise course based on the exercises from the book, but have stopped for the time being. I hope I’ll get back to it, though.

Re: księżyc - Gaelainn

Posted: 2019-01-04, 18:32
by księżycowy
You just had to dangle that in front of me, didn't you?

Could I get a copy?

Re: księżyc - Gaelainn

Posted: 2019-01-04, 18:42
by silmeth
Well, I think I might just upload it here, if somebody has a problem with it (I don’t think the remaining living author would object, especially since it’s only the reading texts part, the academic publisher probably wouldn’t too…), I’ll remove it.

an-ghaeilge.pdf


BTW, what kind of the book’s edition did you acquire, is it an older official one, or were there bootleg editions copied on a typewriter? Cause my copy (the second, and afaik last, edition, from 2005) has much nicer professional typesetting.

An Ghaeilge 40_1.jpg

An Ghaeilge 40_2.jpg

Re: księżyc - Gaelainn

Posted: 2019-01-04, 18:57
by księżycowy
It appears to be a first edition.

Re: księżyc - Gaelainn

Posted: 2019-01-05, 15:27
by silmeth
linguoboy wrote:chuige an bóthar […] which reek of Connacht to me.


I think you misunderstood the phrase here. The full clause is chonaic sé chuige an bóthar aníos Cáit, and IMO it means ‘he saw Cáit [walking] towards him up the road’, Cáit here certainly is not going to the road, so chuige here is just conjugated chun, and not related to the road. An bóthar is used as accusative, ‘by the road’.

So I don’t think there is anything specifically Connacht there. ;-)

Also, as the basic form of the preposition, the book teaches chun, not chuig(e).

Re: księżyc - Gaelainn

Posted: 2019-01-07, 14:16
by księżycowy
I'm curious. Was there ever any audio to go with the Munster textbook An Ghaeilge?

Re: księżyc - Gaelainn

Posted: 2019-01-07, 14:29
by silmeth
Unfortunately not. I think even the preface says something about it, that the transcriptions and pronunciation guides in the book are helpful but they are not enough, and that one also needs a teacher and native recordings to properly learn pronunciation (when I’m home in the evening I might edit this post to cite a proper passage), but the book itself, although recognizing the need for some, never had any recordings.

Re: księżyc - Gaelainn

Posted: 2019-01-07, 14:38
by księżycowy
That's rather unfortunate.

Re: księżyc - Gaelainn

Posted: 2019-02-20, 7:48
by An Lon Dubh
Just saw this now. It's essentially the way a middle aged person from Corca Dhuibhne would talk. It's not deep older Munster, e.g. datives, genitives after chun and other features, but it's not like younger speech with the atrophied genitive and more Caighdeán verb forms.

Re: księżyc - Gaelainn

Posted: 2019-05-29, 20:38
by księżycowy
Dia dhuit!

I've been slowly reviewing and keeping my Irish alive.

So far I've just been reviewing my vocabulary and brushing the dust off. I hope to review some grammar this weekend. Also I think I need to review pronunciation and get back into the rhythm of the language.

Re: księżyc - Gaelainn

Posted: 2019-05-29, 20:45
by linguoboy
Óró sé do bheatha abhaile anois ar theacht an tsamhraidh!