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Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-15, 10:15
by księżycowy

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-15, 15:26
by vijayjohn
Yeah, Lur, you can join through Skype if you want. :)

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-15, 15:28
by Lur
Aaaaaaaaaaaahh :shock:

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-15, 15:44
by vijayjohn
I'm not sure what kind of emotion that's supposed to be expressing. :whistle: :lol:

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-15, 16:50
by Lur
Self induced stress :lol:

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-16, 18:21
by księżycowy
So, there won't be class tonight (or next week), so what do you want to work on this week, Vijay-sensei?

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-16, 22:43
by vijayjohn
Hmm...maybe the Pearl White lessons? (I'm a little tempted to throw in a little bit of the supplementary lessons, too, but I feel like I might be in over my head if I do that :hmm:).

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-16, 23:05
by księżycowy
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Ok, fine.....

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-17, 14:24
by księżycowy
I think I'd like to get some practice in with the things we were doing in class, so let's play out a dialogue or something. (Feel free to use the vocabulary in the Community class PDF. It's everything we've covered so far.)

Sgë:nö'. Dë'ëh nis šya:söh?

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-20, 8:24
by Lur
Hell, lets get to it.

Is there any important detail I'm missing that'd made chose to dabble between Mohawk and Cayuga?

(Also I was under the impression that the languages not from the Confederacy were a bit unattested except Cherokee, but maybe that isn't true because now I realize I have grammars of those in my hard drive :para: )

(my "problem" is, between this and Algonquian and Inuit and Navajo&Na-Dené and Mayan and Nahuatl I just don't know what to do :lol: )

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-20, 12:59
by księżycowy
Ok, great! Would you like to learn some Seneca, or did you have another Iroquoian language in mind?

And from my experience, a few of the non-confederate languages do have grammars, but resources for those languages are even more scare then the languages of the Confederacy.

And yes, Cherokee is pretty well documented. (In fact, I keep meaning to pick up the reference grammar from Amazon. :P )

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-20, 21:05
by księżycowy
księżycowy wrote:I think I'd like to get some practice in with the things we were doing in class, so let's play out a dialogue or something. (Feel free to use the vocabulary in the Community class PDF. It's everything we've covered so far.)

Sgë:nö'. Dë'ëh nis šya:söh?

Actually, where as I'd like to still do this, I do think it's a bit unreasonable for us to converse in a fast enough way to make this workable, so let's just trade off writing up dialogues/stories and have the other person translate. :P

A: Sgë:nö’. Dë’ëh ni:s šya:söh?
B: Sgë:nö’. Terry ni:’ gya:söh.
A: Jerry ni:s šya:söh?
B: Hë’ëh, Jerry ni:' de'gya;söh! Terry ni:’ gya:söh!
A: Tom ni:’ gya:söh. Sadögweta’?
B: Gadögweta’. I:s koh? (i:s = ni:s)
A: De’gadögweta’. Aknö’ë:gö’s.

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-21, 18:24
by Lur
księżycowy wrote:Ok, great! Would you like to learn some Seneca, or did you have another Iroquoian language in mind?

Probably Mohawk or Cayuga I guess.

(why am I so afraid to dabble on anything anyway? It's not like I'm committing to anything! man am I silly)

While we're at it, is there something you'd recommend me to look up about general Iroquoian culture? Like, music, craft, history, religion and mythology (this particulary I like), that stuff is always great to have right next the resources about languages. (I ask you because you have the Iroquoian bug... :lol: )

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-21, 18:41
by księżycowy
Honestly, aside from the collection of traditional stories in Mohawk I have, I can't think of anything much else that I'd recommend.

I really haven't given much time to studying those aspects of Iroquois culture, oddly enough. Mostly just the languages.


EDIT: And although I fully intend to focus on Seneca, I'm down for trying to learn some Mohawk or Cayuga as well. :P

Do you have resources for either, Lur?

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-22, 8:04
by Lur
For Mohawk I have the Teaching Grammar by Deering/Delisle, from 1976, but not the audio, and a grammar by Bonvillain, and another grammar by Alice Woodward Hopkins. For Cayuga I don't have anything.

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-22, 9:09
by księżycowy
I also have the teaching grammar for Mohawk. And guess what? Not only do I have it in updated orthography, but I also have the audio! I'd be up for going through it with you.

I could also upload the Cayuga Teaching Grammar, if you'd prefer to learn Cayuga. I also have the audio for it.

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-23, 14:27
by Lur
:O Really? That'd be awesome. I love you.

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-23, 14:29
by księżycowy
Great, but which option? I'm only doing one. :lol: :P

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-23, 18:00
by Lur
I was saying Mohawk but I really have no reason to choose one or the other!

Re: Iroquoian Study Group

Posted: 2018-07-23, 18:08
by księżycowy
That's probably the easiest option, so I'm all for it. :lol: