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Tlingit Discussion

Postby księżycowy » 2010-10-24, 16:56

Tlingit thread!


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Re: Tlingit/Haida/Tshimshian

Postby księżycowy » 2010-10-24, 17:30


They seem to have some good learning resources there, but how do you go about getting them (if you even can)?

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Re: Tlingit/Haida/Tshimshian

Postby księżycowy » 2010-10-24, 17:34

Tlingit time! :yeah!:

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Re: Tlingit/Haida/Tshimshian

Postby księżycowy » 2010-10-24, 17:39

Which reminds me:
http://www.ynlc.ca/languages/tl/tl.html
(Also has lessons and story books for other Athabaskan languages of the Yukon.)

I'm hoping that with their publication of the Haida Phrasebook a Haida textbook isn't too far behind for Sealaska!

Anyone know of a good Tsimshian textbook?

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Re: Tlingit/Haida/Tshimshian

Postby Formiko » 2010-10-24, 17:41

księżycowy wrote:Tlingit time! :yeah!:

My unfinished PhD dissertation was on Tlingit, the hardest language known to man. The verb tables are so complex, they'll keep you up crying until the wee hours of the morning. I still remember a lot of stuff, probably due to trauma :para:
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Re: Tlingit/Haida/Tshimshian

Postby księżycowy » 2010-10-24, 18:03

Yeah, but that's what makes it fun! The brain trauma! :microwave:
No, but seriously, Tlingit is on my 'hit-list.' If another N.A. language doesn't strike my fancy, I might start working on it, just need to get the dictionary from Sealaska first!
I also have the Tlingit 'Readers' (I use that term loosely) from the U of Washington, they're quite nice! [Found on amazon last time I checked.]

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Re: Tlingit/Haida/Tshimshian

Postby ILuvEire » 2010-10-24, 19:06

Tlingit/Eyak and Haida make my toes curl in delight <3 Oh gosh, I love them so much, so beautiful.
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Re: Tlingit/Haida/Tshimshian

Postby księżycowy » 2010-10-25, 0:03

Haida Grammar:
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZkdAAA ... &q&f=false
Written in 1906, but still worth a look.

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Re: Tlingit/Haida/Tshimshian

Postby Formiko » 2010-10-25, 2:55

Whatever you need to know about Tlingit, you can ask me. I'll try to help.
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Re: Tlingit/Haida/Tshimshian

Postby księżycowy » 2010-10-25, 16:03

Formiko wrote:Whatever you need to know about Tlingit, you can ask me. I'll try to help.

Thanks I'll take you up on that offer!
I'll probably start working on it soon. At least I hope . . .

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Re: Tlingit/Haida/Tshimshian

Postby Formiko » 2010-10-25, 22:03

księżycowy wrote:
Formiko wrote:Whatever you need to know about Tlingit, you can ask me. I'll try to help.

Thanks I'll take you up on that offer!
I'll probably start working on it soon. At least I hope . . .

Just keep in mind that I'm only at a A-2/B-1 level..
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Re: Tlingit/Haida/Tshimshian

Postby księżycowy » 2010-10-25, 22:12

Formiko wrote:Just keep in mind that I'm only at a A-2/B-1 level..

No worries, as I'm at level A-0! 8-)

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Re: Tlingit Discussion

Postby johnH » 2011-02-23, 12:12

This look interesting!!

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Re: Tlingit Discussion

Postby księżycowy » 2011-02-23, 15:06

And quite hard!
I think Tlingit is even harder then Navajo to learn!
Though I'm not sure . . .

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Re: Tlingit Discussion

Postby Formiko » 2011-02-24, 6:40

księżycowy wrote:And quite hard!
I think Tlingit is even harder then Navajo to learn!
Though I'm not sure . . .

Tlingit is definitely harder. At least Navajo has memorizable patterns.
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Re: Tlingit Discussion

Postby johnH » 2011-02-24, 10:19

All fasinating that is what I have to say.
curious tlingit uses alot of prefixes.

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Re: Tlingit Discussion

Postby księżycowy » 2011-02-24, 11:43

Formiko wrote:Tlingit is definitely harder. At least Navajo has memorizable patterns.

My experiences from looking over Beginning Tlingit certainly left my head hurting, and they don't even go into verbal parts much in that book! :shock:
Not that that deters me from giving it a shot. :wink:
Though I'm still waiting for Intermediate Tlingit to come out. Hopefully that'll happen soon.

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Re: Tlingit Discussion

Postby johnH » 2011-02-25, 2:14

But so many prefixes! ‹O.O›' that makes me want to study it now.

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Re: Tlingit Discussion

Postby Formiko » 2011-02-25, 9:55

johnH wrote:But so many prefixes! ‹O.O›' that makes me want to study it now.

Tlingit has prefixes, infixes and suffixes. I'll give you an example

to sing yashee
to sing loudly sasiaax
She sings off key A goowanáax awé yaa sanasáx

Look how the root -shee- changes. The third person progressive for sasiaax has a seemingly random sana- added as a prefix. But this verb is NOT irregular. That's just how that word is conjugated. Every verb practically has a completely new conjugation. BTW, yaa denotes third person in this verb. It's technically not a prefix, but a separate word.

More examples

he knows him kei at gooxshagóok
he makes him fall yei isgích or he pushes him
in the second sentence yei denotes down...someone falls down.
but,
kei yax isgích means "He gets up" or "he falls up", however, if I forget to add yax before the verb and say instead kei isgích, I've said "He fell to his death", because a lack of an infix here denotes "completion", which can mean a couple of things, depending on the verb.
Yet, people speak this language everyday! Just imagine the mental acrobatics one has to do to tell a simple story. In my research, I was told that Tlingit is SO precise, so as not to cause any confusion. The language can sound short and abrupt, due to when you're hunting, there is no time to have full discussions, so short, quick "infixes" are used to give detailed instructions without any confusion.
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