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Postby ILuvEire » 2008-08-17, 7:33

Does anyone here speak Cherokee? I'd really like to learn it, but I don't have any resources.

On a scale of one to ten, how hard is it to learn?
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Re: Cherokee

Postby Jalethon » 2008-08-17, 9:17

[la] Formiko eam linguam loqui potest.

[en] Formiko speaks Cherokee.

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Re: Cherokee

Postby Formiko » 2008-09-25, 18:53

ILuvEire wrote:Does anyone here speak Cherokee? I'd really like to learn it, but I don't have any resources.

On a scale of one to ten, how hard is it to learn?


I just noticed this. I speak Cherokee, and yes, it's rather difficult. What questions do you have?
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Re: Cherokee

Postby eskandar » 2008-11-04, 7:34

Just came across a good resource for learning Cherokee. Enjoy!
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Postby ILuvEire » 2008-11-05, 2:55

eskandar wrote:Just came across a good resource for learning Cherokee. Enjoy!


Oh! Thank you! That's awesome.
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Re: Cherokee

Postby ILuvEire » 2009-03-12, 5:23

Coupla questions:

1. Beginner Cherokee says that "how are you" is "dtohi:'tsu?" How would I pronounce "dt"? I've been just saying [t]. So [to'hiːtʃuʔ], perhaps?

2. Is there a half way decent romanization for Cherokee? "Gv:-na a?-wa-du'-li" looks so ugly! I made something up for myself, it'd be "gvvnv'wadúli" which looks nicer. And if you're curious...v:v' gv:-na a?-wa-du'-li. Or maybe, vvV gvvnv'wadúli.

3. Can a word actually be stressed in three places? Dódadagóhví...is that even pronounceable?!

Nvwadohiyada! (I can't remember where the stress goes in there).
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Re: Cherokee

Postby Ser » 2009-03-12, 22:59

Formiko wrote:
ILuvEire wrote:On a scale of one to ten, how hard is it to learn?

I just noticed this. I speak Cherokee, and yes, it's rather difficult.

It's a non-European, polysynthetic language. What were you expecting? :P

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Re: Cherokee

Postby ILuvEire » 2009-03-12, 23:10

Neqitan wrote:
Formiko wrote:
ILuvEire wrote:On a scale of one to ten, how hard is it to learn?

I just noticed this. I speak Cherokee, and yes, it's rather difficult.

It's a non-European, polysynthetic language. What were you expecting? :P

Lol! At that time...probably something as hard as Japanese.

But, actually I don't think that it's awfully hard. There's no grammatical gender. Plus is sounds pretty. And I love the word for numbers, ᎠᏎᏍᏗ asēsdí, or they-have-been-counted. Haha.
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Re: Cherokee

Postby Formiko » 2009-04-12, 4:44

ILuvEire wrote:
But, actually I don't think that it's awfully hard. There's no grammatical gender. Plus is sounds pretty. And I love the word for numbers, ᎠᏎᏍᏗ asēsdí, or they-have-been-counted. Haha.


Back to some earlier questions. The stress is usually on the first or second syllable.
And since Cherokee has pitch, a word can have two stresses.

dtohi:'tsu is pronounced dohíju ᏙᎯᏧ
Ruth Holmes has a terrible romanization, and that book was written 35 yeasr ago!

Dódadagóhví is actually dódada góhv
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Re: Cherokee

Postby Sean of the Dead » 2009-05-01, 1:37

I have a question, how is tone marked, or is it not?
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Re: Cherokee

Postby ILuvEire » 2009-05-01, 1:38

Sean of the Dead wrote:I have a question, how is tone marked, or is it not?

In the syllabalry? It ain't.

In romanization, it's only marked if there's a minimal pair.
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Postby ᏩᏯᏩᏯ » 2010-07-04, 5:47

:hmm:

Reinventing the wheel may not be a good idea....



Glossword looks interesting, hopefully it also meshes with XDXF for ability to share work with others.
Thoughts?

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Re: ᏣᎳᎩ / Cherokee / Dictionary / Online

Postby Formiko » 2010-07-04, 8:21

Glossword looks nice. Do you want me to install it on my web server?
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Re: ᏣᎳᎩ / Cherokee / Dictionary / Online

Postby ᏩᏯᏩᏯ » 2010-07-04, 20:18

Formiko wrote:Glossword looks nice. Do you want me to install it on my web server?


Sounds fine to me, Mol?

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Re: ᏣᎳᎩ / Cherokee / Dictionary / Online

Postby Mol_Bolom » 2010-07-05, 8:00

Perhaps, but I'm still fairly skeptical of using any xml format for a dictionary. The next few days I'll do some reading and searching to see if there are any differences between xml and a basic database.

Also, for the past few hours I've been researching mysql, check out ~/Dropbox/Mol_Bolom/mysqlcc.png. It is a picture of what I've done so far.

So far, that one record I have could look like this using some kind of reports/querry/etc.

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   -wonihis-   v.   Speak
      gawoniha   ᎦᏬᏂᎭ
         He is speaking
      tsiwoniha   ᏥᏬᏂᎭ
      uwonisvi   ᎤᏬᏂᏒᎢ
      gawonisgoi   ᎦᏬᏂᏍᎪᎢ
      hiwonihi   ᎯᏬᏂᎯ
      uwonihisdi   ᎤᏬᏂᎯᏍᏗ

      Notes:

      Examples:   ᏆᎳ ᎦᏬᏂ, ᎠᎴᏃ ᎾᎩᏬᏂᏒᎢ.  Paul is speaking, and I had already spoken.


But this would be inconsequential since any dictionary could be like this.

(Oh, also, this idea isn't exactly for creating an online dictionary. I'm more interested in it being best suited for a book, or for whatever reason someone may want a dictionary like this).

For the temporary database I created, I used all TEXTs. So until I know the difference between all the others, BLOB, TINYTEXT, etc that's what I'll use for the moment.

Anyway, I'll try to remember to check into xml vs. database structures...

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Re: ᏣᎳᎩ / Cherokee / Dictionary / Online

Postby Formiko » 2010-07-05, 8:28

Mol_Bolom wrote:Perhaps, but I'm still fairly skeptical of using any xml format for a dictionary. The next few days I'll do some reading and searching to see if there are any differences between xml and a basic database..


I agree, XML is clumsy.
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Re: ᏣᎳᎩ / Cherokee / Dictionary / Online

Postby ᏩᏯᏩᏯ » 2010-07-05, 10:57

Formiko wrote:
Mol_Bolom wrote:Perhaps, but I'm still fairly skeptical of using any xml format for a dictionary. The next few days I'll do some reading and searching to see if there are any differences between xml and a basic database..


I agree, XML is clumsy.


Indeed XML is horrible for direct use for such a thing. I believe however, that is on an import export option, and that the backend is actually a MySQL database, inside a Joomla web-page as a dictionary plugin. I would prefer a) not to reinvent the wheel (this is from experience as a sysadmin), b) multi-user concurrent access type system.

If Formiko sets it up Glossword, we can poke at it and see if we can bend it easily to our needs. So long as the DB can be exported in a consistent and easy fashion, conversion to book form should be pretty simple for me. It wouldn't be the first time I took MySQL db and dumped into LyX format for conversion into nice hyperreffed book. And storing in Glossword may allow us option of putting the audio samples in as well either via embedded link or embedded blob.

Also, if this is your first experience with SQL, I recommend that you see if you can find a cheap copy of a used mysql+php5 book off of amazon before delving int too deep. Database normalization is a definate must. And, as this type of DB may have differing needs for each entry (verb, noun, adjective, etc), using fixed columns will very soon turn into a nightmare. You need to use what is called a "key/value" database type setup to be able to store variably structured data.

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Re: ᏣᎳᎩ / Cherokee / Dictionary / Online

Postby ᏩᏯᏩᏯ » 2010-07-05, 11:19

Mol_Bolom wrote:Perhaps, but I'm still fairly skeptical of using any xml format for a dictionary. The next few days I'll do some reading and searching to see if there are any differences between xml and a basic database.


The difference are more than just a few.

XML is merely for data representation/storage, not for relational manipulation/query.

Mol_Bolom wrote:Also, for the past few hours I've been researching mysql, check out ~/Dropbox/Mol_Bolom/mysqlcc.png. It is a picture of what I've done so far.


Very good.

Mol_Bolom wrote:So far, that one record I have could look like this using some kind of reports/querry/etc.

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-won-
   -wonihis-   v.   Speak
      gawoniha   ᎦᏬᏂᎭ
         He is speaking
      tsiwoniha   ᏥᏬᏂᎭ
      uwonisvi   ᎤᏬᏂᏒᎢ
      gawonisgoi   ᎦᏬᏂᏍᎪᎢ
      hiwonihi   ᎯᏬᏂᎯ
      uwonihisdi   ᎤᏬᏂᎯᏍᏗ

      Notes:

      Examples:   ᏆᎳ ᎦᏬᏂ, ᎠᎴᏃ ᎾᎩᏬᏂᏒᎢ.  Paul is speaking, and I had already spoken.


But this would be inconsequential since any dictionary could be like this.

(Oh, also, this idea isn't exactly for creating an online dictionary. I'm more interested in it being best suited for a book, or for whatever reason someone may want a dictionary like this).

If we have an online dictionary, that can be dumped into a PDF/book form, we can have multiple authors helping simultaneously. From anywhere.
Mol_Bolom wrote:
For the temporary database I created, I used all TEXTs. So until I know the difference between all the others, BLOB, TINYTEXT, etc that's what I'll use for the moment.

Anyway, I'll try to remember to check into xml vs. database structures...


TEXTs is the correct datatype to use. Just have to be careful over "collation/sort order".

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Re: Cherokee

Postby ᏩᏯᏩᏯ » 2010-07-05, 19:12

ILuvEire wrote:Does anyone here speak Cherokee? I'd really like to learn it, but I don't have any resources.


Try here for resources:

http://www.unilang.org/viewtopic.php?f=99&t=27425&p=615095&hilit=cherokee+cherokee+revision+2.10#p615095

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Postby ᏩᏯᏩᏯ » 2010-10-20, 1:55

ᎣᏏᏲ!

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http://www.cherokeelessons.com

Fixed layout to something hopefully more reasonable and readable.
Added an about page with a UNILANG contact messaging link.
Prepping to put Cherokee Numbers (ᏗᏎᏍᏗ) and Ordinals up.
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