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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby Trapy » 2019-01-24, 3:25

Alright, I did it! Sort of. To type I just need to type ru, get the hirigana character る to flip to katakana ルカ, then delete the カ . Simple.... right....

Also, it’s been probably 6 years since I tried to study Japanese, but I am surprised how much of the alphabets are comin back to me.
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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-01-24, 7:10

Hmm, I just use Google Input Tools tbh. But then I don't use my phone often, so maybe that makes a big difference.

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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-24, 10:07

On Google inputs on PC you can set it to katakana and just type "ru". On mobile devices you can have it set on kana, so you just type the kana you want, though you'd need to select the katakana, as it defaults to hiragana.

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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-01-24, 13:35

Oh, I forgot about setting it to katakana.

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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby Trapy » 2019-01-25, 4:05

irankarapte!

Ku=kor tre meko iperusuy rusuy. Tre meko henne e. Tane, tre meko sinki ne. Tre meko henne ku=nukar.

Suy unukaran ro!



Hello!

My three cats hungry probably (n.b. I added probably to see how rusuy is in verbs). Three cats not eat. Now, three cats tired are. Three cats not I see.

See you later!

I did not do well on numbers, which are a challenge along with the names of letters in every language I learn. Like, I can remember ausgezeitchnet for super intensely happy in German, but saying the name of Y takes me a minute. Sine, tu, re, ihne... crap it’s ine... sikne? ... something... (ine, asikne, iwan)... need more time for these. Will go into the weekend hoping to get more vocab and possibly if, then.. while coming up with more sentences to get SOV and finally reading more resources on adverb / adjective placement. Wasn’t great with adding ku= to the verb as I should have so will do a longer “I did x, you did y” to get practice.
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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-01-25, 5:45

I'm kind of tempted to maybe start an Ainu study group with you, if you're interested. :P

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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-25, 11:22

I actually wouldn't mind studying Ainu myself. But I intend to attack it from the Japanese angle. So I won't be joining anytime soon.

I have a thing for the minority languages in the countries who's languages I'm really interested in. :P

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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-01-25, 13:26

I take it you like Ryukyuan languages, too, then? Miyako's pretty cool.

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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-25, 14:32

Yes. I plan to hopefully study one or two one day. I was thinking of Okinawan for sure. But I'll see what resources there are once I can start to access Japanese stuffs.

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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby Trapy » 2019-01-25, 17:43

vijayjohn wrote:I'm kind of tempted to maybe start an Ainu study group with you, if you're interested. :P



Ainu itak=an no!

Ainu speak us let’s!

Ghost edit- no is the participle for “let us..” so Soy unukar=an no means “again meet us let’s”. Apparently the resource I got Soy unukaran no from is one that doesn’t use = to show addition to verbs like Noir did in the guide here. So, I need to remember that. Also, time goes first, then subject, unless it is a pronoun which gets attached to verbs instead, and then participles (like rusuy, ne, etc )

edit 2- also, ku=, e= ( I, you)goes in front where =an (we) goes at the end. There is no equivalent for 3rd person singular (that I know of and the unilang guide seems to indicate so)

Edit 3- character of the day- no
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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby Trapy » 2019-01-26, 3:07

Bs sentence but I did a stretch for the character Me so I could combine it to make メコ Cat. Easier since t looks like no with a stroke.This means I can officially say:

クコル メコ。
Ku=kor meko


My cat.

which... i found out woman is menoko, so...

クコル メノコ
Ku=kor menoko


My woman

(till I lean more katakana and the word for wife :))
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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-01-26, 5:20

I'll have to find some way to learn Ainu then, I guess. :P

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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby Trapy » 2019-01-26, 20:10

księżycowy wrote:https://www.stv.jp/radio/ainugo/index.html


SapporoTV frequently comes up as a good resource. If you spot audio clips do please let us know!

This is close to all the non “count to 10” I can find, and I can pick out words without the transcript:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pI1feWHeUq4

Also, there is an anime called “Golden Kamuy” which sprinkles Ainu into it for flavor. Never heard of it till last week so will need to see if it’s any good for language. Learned a lot of French slang from reading “Love Hina” years ago :).

A more realistic option is to try and find the yukar (sagas) in Ainu.
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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby księżycowy » 2019-01-27, 0:40

Trapy wrote:SapporoTV frequently comes up as a good resource.

Probably in no small part because it's freely available online. :P

If you spot audio clips do please let us know!

Will do.

I thought that SapporoTV had audio on their site. Maybe I haven't found the right link or something. :hmm:

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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-01-27, 3:28

They do have a podcast on their site for sure.

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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby Trapy » 2019-01-27, 3:47

Saw this word in vocab and had to use it.


Irankarapte,

Tanto lego ku=oterke. Tane ku=cikir arka. Lego ruy ne.

Suy unukaran no


Hello,
Today Lego I step on. Now my leg hurts. Lego strong is.
Let’s meet again.

Note* I need to remember c is pronounced as ch. also threw me for a loop again that ku= is need for I... and sov as I had Lego last.

for Su - like (slash from ) and mixed together. Kind of. That might be a stretch even for my memory triggers. Might think of Su more as in, someone with long hair running away, as in, telling goodbye in Suy unukaran no. So I have the first and last characters of that!
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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-01-27, 7:15

Irankarapte!

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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby Trapy » 2019-01-27, 13:19

vijayjohn wrote:Irankarapte!


irankarapte!!!

It is a fun word to say :).

Note: apparently, different authors will use different finals in katakana. So, kor may be written in katakana as コル or コレ, コラ, コロ etc. This might partially be due to Yukie Chiri and Imekanu writing down the original Yukar sagas in Romanji, instead of katakana. At the time most Ainu were illiterate. I am unsure why they chose romanji, but as there are no final consonants for the most part in Japanese, likely why. Katakana is well and above what most modern Ainu is written in. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imekanu
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Re: Tac 2019 - Ainu

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-01-27, 16:21

By the way, the first few audioclips from the podcast are missing, but I'm going to venture a guess that they might be available through the Wayback Machine/Internet Archive/archive.org.


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