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Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 14:21
by Luís
księżycowy wrote:So basically Japanese should be written like Chinese? :P


But with every kanji having a gazillion different pronunciations instead of just one or two :P

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 14:38
by IpseDixit
księżycowy wrote:So basically Japanese should be written like Chinese? :P


No, it should be written in rōmaji. :twisted:

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 14:42
by księżycowy
Ew, no. Never! NEVER! :evil:

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 14:47
by IpseDixit
księżycowy wrote:Ew, no. Never! NEVER! :evil:


C'mon Indonesian and Vietnamese are doing fine with the Roman alphabet, I'm sure Japanese will like it too. :twisted:

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 14:58
by Luís
IpseDixit wrote:
księżycowy wrote:Ew, no. Never! NEVER! :evil:


C'mon Indonesian and Vietnamese are doing fine with the Roman alphabet, I'm sure Japanese will like it too. :twisted:


You think Vietnamese is doing fine? FFS, they have diacritics than go on top of other diacritics.

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 15:00
by księżycowy
I would hate Japanese so bad if it was written in rōmaji.

出来ない❢

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 15:26
by IpseDixit
Luís wrote:
IpseDixit wrote:
księżycowy wrote:Ew, no. Never! NEVER! :evil:


C'mon Indonesian and Vietnamese are doing fine with the Roman alphabet, I'm sure Japanese will like it too. :twisted:


You think Vietnamese is doing fine? FFS, they have diacritics than go on top of other diacritics.


Shush! It's a minor side effect. :P

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 16:45
by vijayjohn
Car wrote:It would already help if Japanese didn't have Hiragana and Katakana, too. Sure, compared to Kanji, that's nothing, but why?

Because not everything in Japanese is a loanword from Chinese.
Luís wrote:
księżycowy wrote:So basically Japanese should be written like Chinese? :P


But with every kanji having a gazillion different pronunciations instead of just one or two :P

It already does. :P
IpseDixit wrote:
księżycowy wrote:So basically Japanese should be written like Chinese? :P


No, it should be written in rōmaji. :twisted:

Pfft, it already is. :whistle:

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 16:58
by księżycowy
そんな! :doggy: :doggy: :doggy:

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 17:32
by Car
księżycowy wrote:So basically Japanese should be written like Chinese? :P

No, I mean using kanji and either hiragana or katakana, but not both hiragana and katakana. What speaks against that?

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 17:38
by księżycowy
Nah, if anything they should create a third syllabary.

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 17:42
by Karavinka
Car wrote:
księżycowy wrote:So basically Japanese should be written like Chinese? :P

No, I mean using kanji and either hiragana or katakana, but not both hiragana and katakana. What speaks against that?


Why not also get rid of the capital and lower case distinction in Roman alphabets?

Anyways. Japanese writing system is complex, but it's not the biggest problem of learning the language. The bigger problem is making excuses to avoid them and pretending as if it's a bigger problem than it really is. It's like saying "I love you so much and I would definitely marry you if you weren't so fat, so no."

というか、これ個人スレなのに雑談スレ化してしまったな…

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 17:49
by vijayjohn
Karavinka wrote:
Car wrote:
księżycowy wrote:So basically Japanese should be written like Chinese? :P

No, I mean using kanji and either hiragana or katakana, but not both hiragana and katakana. What speaks against that?


Why not also get rid of the capital and lower case distinction in Roman alphabets?

Anyways. Japanese writing system is complex, but it's not the biggest problem of learning the language. The bigger problem is making excuses to avoid them and pretending as if it's a bigger problem than it really is. It's like saying "I love you so much and I would definitely marry you if you weren't so fat, so no."

:lol:
というか、これ個人スレなのに雑談スレ化してしまったな…

As usual for me, I read this as to iu ka, kore gèrén sure na no ni zátán sure huà shite shimatta na...

いいでしょうね。 これはこんなスレの習俗なんですよ。 Did that make any sense? And yes, of course I had to look up how 習俗 was pronounced in Japanese...

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-19, 18:59
by Car
Karavinka wrote:
Car wrote:
księżycowy wrote:So basically Japanese should be written like Chinese? :P

No, I mean using kanji and either hiragana or katakana, but not both hiragana and katakana. What speaks against that?


Why not also get rid of the capital and lower case distinction in Roman alphabets?

Anyways. Japanese writing system is complex, but it's not the biggest problem of learning the language. The bigger problem is making excuses to avoid them and pretending as if it's a bigger problem than it really is. It's like saying "I love you so much and I would definitely marry you if you weren't so fat, so no."

You might, although I think studies have shown that it makes reading easier.

Well, that's subjective. Not everyone is good at learning new scripts. For me, that was a big problem when I was learning Japanese in the past.

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-22, 1:07
by vijayjohn
Car wrote:Well, that's subjective. Not everyone is good at learning new scripts. For me, that was a big problem when I was learning Japanese in the past.

I'm not bad at learning new scripts, but that was definitely a problem with learning Japanese for me for a long time. It took me years to learn hiragana and katakana. Now I'm having the same problem with the Amharic syllabary.

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-22, 9:51
by księżycowy
Huh, I'm surprised Vijay. I would have pegged you as someone who would learn a script relatively easily.

I think it took my a week to learn Hiragana well. I still have trouble with katakana, but I could get that up to the same level of I tried. :P

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-23, 2:48
by vijayjohn
Yeah, I'm actually a much slower learner than you'd think, at least sometimes and in some ways! When it comes to writing systems and stuff, I think I have at least a strong preference to see those things in context. For instance, I remember I used to have a lot of trouble remembering that み was specifically pronounced mi. I could clearly see that it resembled the Devanagari character म ma, but that of course has a different vowel from mi. But if I saw み often enough when trying to read text in Japanese, then eventually, I could recognize its pronunciation just from having seen it so many times.

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2017-12-29, 17:49
by IpseDixit
A last change before actually starting the TAC: I've decided I'm gonna start from German instead of Dutch (and I'm also more and more sure that the chances of me doing Japanese are quite slim, but well... we'll see in 8 months).

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2018-03-19, 5:12
by vijayjohn
So did you ever learn any Dutch, German, or Japanese? :P

Re: 2018 blog - IpseDixit (Nederlands, Deutsch, 日本語)

Posted: 2018-03-19, 13:09
by IpseDixit
vijayjohn wrote:So did you ever learn any Dutch, German, or Japanese? :P


LOL, who do you think I am? A serious person who respects schedules? :P

But in all seriousness, my motivation to learn any language has basically disappeared for a while. Even when I created this TAC, it wasn't really that high tbh, but I still thought I could bring myself to do something language-wise, turns out that I can't. I had already said something about this here.

The only thing that maybe I could see myself doing in the short term is brush off and try to expand my knowledge of a few Romance languages, because those are the only languages that I can learn without having to go through grammar books.