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Re: TAC 2017 dEhiN - French, Brazilian Portuguese, Swedish, Sri Lankan Tamil

Postby Dormouse559 » 2017-01-14, 2:42

dEhiN wrote: Merci et bon arrêt!
De rien ! :)

dEhiN wrote:Edit: I wasn't losing my mind in spelling it "fourty"; that's an older spelling. I don't know if it's British influence through my parents or the way Canadians used to spell it when I was young, but that's the natural spelling of 40 for me.
"Fourty" also just makes more sense; it's one of the regular "-ty" words in speech, but for some reason the root is spelled differently. (seven -> seventy but four -> forty?)

dEhiN wrote:[flag=]fr[/flag] la larme [f.] drop; tear
L'arme means "weapon". Just a little different.
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Re: TAC 2017 dEhiN - French, Brazilian Portuguese, Swedish, Sri Lankan Tamil

Postby dEhiN » 2017-01-14, 2:47

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dEhiN wrote:[flag=]fr[/flag] la larme [f.] drop; tear
L'arme means "weapon". Just a little different.

L'arme est féminin aussi? Merci pour la correction!
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Re: TAC 2017 dEhiN - French, Brazilian Portuguese, Swedish, Sri Lankan Tamil

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dEhiN wrote:L'arme est féminin aussi? Merci pour la correction!
Oui, tous les deux sont féminins.
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Re: TAC 2017 dEhiN - French, Brazilian Portuguese, Swedish, Sri Lankan Tamil

Postby Osias » 2017-01-14, 11:45

dEhiN wrote:
vijayjohn wrote::lol:
Osias wrote:This annoying song everybody knows exemplifies that

Aww, how cute! :whistle:

I thought the same way too at first. But by the end of the song, I was annoyed by it. :D
Isso porque não teve que escutar o dvd inteiro seguidas vezes por estar cuidado de crianças! :D

I would say "I've ever lived (in)". Something about using the simple past without a preposition afterward sounds off.


To me it's sounds off that a preposition is used only after something.

Eu nunca soube que tem um vocativo! Agora, sei a causa de se pronunciar o artigo masculino como /u/!


dEhiN wrote:Sim tem razão, mas para mim, a palavra ou é um ditongo.
A palavra "ou" é um desses casos que quando se está falando pausadamente ou pondo ênfase se diz duas vogais (ou vogal+semivogal, sei lá) mas na fala normal sai "ô".

E, sim, eu sei que na língua falada muita gente diz "pegar ela" (catch she) ao invés de "pegá-la" (catch her) mas nunca vi a omissão do caso oblíquo com pronomes da primeira pessoa. Nem gente das variantes mais desprestigiadas fala "para eu" (for I) ao invés de "para mim" (for me). A menos que tenha um verbo depois, como em "para eu comer". O que é oooooooutra coisa.

Enquanto eu vou ali no dentista, fique com uma música não annoying que tem a construção "para mim":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQmWRyGAd_s
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Re: TAC 2017 dEhiN - French, Brazilian Portuguese, Swedish, Sri Lankan Tamil

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-01-14, 14:20

Osias wrote:To me it's sounds off that a preposition is used only after something.

Lol, well, it's not really used only after something. :)

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Re: TAC 2017 dEhiN - French, Brazilian Portuguese, Swedish, Sri Lankan Tamil

Postby Osias » 2017-01-14, 14:32

Yes, it's just sounds off.
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Postby dEhiN » 2017-01-14, 16:13

Osias wrote:Yes, it's just sounds off.

Yeah the proper term would be postposition when it comes after, except that usually they are prepositions in English. But in the sentence I mentioned, I prefer to put the preposition at the end of the sentence, even though technically that makes it a postposition. I prefer that because I don't believe in the old-school English grammar rules that tried to make English like Latin and said things such as "a preposition can never end a sentence" or "you should never have a split infinitive".
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Re: TAC 2017 dEhiN - French, Brazilian Portuguese, Swedish, Sri Lankan Tamil

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-01-14, 16:36

Btw, it should be it (just) sounds off, not *it's...
dEhiN wrote:Yeah the proper term would be postposition when it comes after, except that usually they are prepositions in English.

Not really. Postpositions come after a noun (phrase) that they modify; English doesn't have these AFAIK. I find this usage of prepositions in English more reminiscent of separable prefixes in German (e.g. abhauen 'to clear off' -> Hau ab! 'Clear off!').

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Postby dEhiN » 2017-01-14, 16:43

vijayjohn wrote:
dEhiN wrote:Yeah the proper term would be postposition when it comes after, except that usually they are prepositions in English.

Not really. Postpositions come after a noun (phrase) that they modify; English doesn't have these AFAIK. I find this usage of prepositions in English more reminiscent of separable prefixes in German (e.g. abhauen 'to clear off' -> Hau ab! 'Clear off!').

Ok, thanks, didn't know that. I knew English doesn't have prepositions. But I thought that if any adposition comes after the word it modifies, it's a postposition. But yeah, I can see how "off" in "clear off!" is different from a postposition in say Korean.
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Re: TAC 2017 dEhiN - French, Brazilian Portuguese, Swedish, Sri Lankan Tamil

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-01-14, 17:28

dEhiN wrote:I knew English doesn't have prepositions.

You mean postpositions! :lol:

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Re: TAC 2017 dEhiN - French, Brazilian Portuguese, Swedish, Sri Lankan Tamil

Postby Dormouse559 » 2017-01-14, 18:48

Just pointing out that while neither "in every state (that) I've lived in" and "clear off" involve postpositions, they are two different constructions. The first involves a preposition before an implied noun phrase, one replaced by the relative pronoun "that". The "off" in "clear off", like vijayjohn said, is more like a German separable particle (I'd rather call it a derivational particle or an adverb than an adposition.), and it isn't attached to any noun phrase.
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Postby dEhiN » 2017-01-14, 19:02

vijayjohn wrote:
dEhiN wrote:I knew English doesn't have prepositions.

You mean postpositions! :lol:

Yes! :D

Dormouse559 wrote:Just pointing out that while neither "in every state (that) I've lived in" and "clear off" involve postpositions, they are two different constructions. The first involves a preposition before an implied noun phrase, one replaced by the relative pronoun "that". The "off" in "clear off", like vijayjohn said, is more like a German separable particle (I'd rather call it a derivational particle or an adverb than an adposition.), and it isn't attached to any noun phrase.

That's true. But what would you call the second "in"? It seems to be a preposition following a verb conjugation.
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Postby dEhiN » 2017-01-14, 19:03

[flag=]en-ca[/flag] Anki for Jan. 14 / [flag=]fr[/flag] Le vocabulaire de Anki pour le 14 janvier / [flag=]pt-br[/flag] O vocabulário de Anki pro 14 janeiro:

[flag=]fr[/flag] le soupçon suspicion; dash (i.e., a very small amount)
[flag=]fr[/flag] souffler to breathe
[flag=]fr[/flag] onze eleven
[flag=]fr[/flag] l'épilepsie [f.] epilepsy
[flag=]fr[/flag] la casquette cap
[flag=]fr[/flag] quatre-vingt-trois eighty-three
[flag=]fr[/flag] l'accord [m.] agreement
[flag=]fr[/flag] le conduit duct; conduit; pipe
[flag=]fr[/flag] pas bien not good (I mix up "pas bien" and "pas mal" a lot. I keep wanting to say "pas bien" when in English I would say "not good".)

[flag=]pt-br[/flag] there; then
[flag=]pt-br[/flag] embora (al)though
[flag=]pt-br[/flag] o sal salt
[flag=]pt-br[/flag] o frango chicken
[flag=]pt-br[/flag] o biscoito cookie; biscuit
[flag=]pt-br[/flag] a escolha choice
[flag=]pt-br[/flag] a cerveja beer

[flag=]sv[/flag] läser eat/eats [pres. tense ind.]
[flag=]sv[/flag] (en) meny -- menyn (a) menu -- the menu
[flag=]sv[/flag] tack så mycket thank you very much
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Re: TAC 2017 dEhiN - French, Brazilian Portuguese, Swedish, Sri Lankan Tamil

Postby vijayjohn » 2017-01-14, 19:11

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Dormouse559 wrote:Just pointing out that while neither "in every state (that) I've lived in" and "clear off" involve postpositions, they are two different constructions. The first involves a preposition before an implied noun phrase, one replaced by the relative pronoun "that". The "off" in "clear off", like vijayjohn said, is more like a German separable particle (I'd rather call it a derivational particle or an adverb than an adposition.), and it isn't attached to any noun phrase.

That's true. But what would you call the second "in"?

That's what he was saying: a preposition before an implied noun phrase.

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Postby Osias » 2017-01-14, 20:28

dEhiN wrote:[flag=]pt-br[/flag] o biscoito cookie; biscuit


É bolacha!
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Postby dEhiN » 2017-01-15, 9:28

Osias wrote:
dEhiN wrote:[flag=]pt-br[/flag] o biscoito cookie; biscuit


É bolacha!

E biscoito? Ele significa somente "cookie" e não também "biscuit"?
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dEhiN wrote:
Osias wrote:
dEhiN wrote:[flag=]pt-br[/flag] o biscoito cookie; biscuit


É bolacha!

E biscoito? Ele significa somente "cookie" e não também "biscuit"?

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Postby Osias » 2017-01-15, 21:24

:rotfl: :rotfl:

Eu só estou zoando, ignore.

A "polêmica" biscoito versus bolacha é mais antiga e esse vídeo é apenas mais um no mar de coisas sobre o assunto: https://twitter.com/joaoluisjr/status/7 ... 3115631616
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Re: TAC 2017 dEhiN - French, Brazilian Portuguese, Swedish, Sri Lankan Tamil

Postby dEhiN » 2017-01-16, 6:46

Osias wrote::rotfl: :rotfl:

Eu só estou zoando, ignore.

A "polêmica" biscoito versus bolacha é mais antiga e esse vídeo é apenas mais um no mar de coisas sobre o assunto: https://twitter.com/joaoluisjr/status/7 ... 3115631616

Meu Deus, achava que você estava sério! :D
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Postby Osias » 2017-01-16, 12:05

dEhiN wrote:Meu Deus, achava que você estava falando sério! :D
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