TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

[vijayjohn]

do you think we can accelerate it Vijay?

I'm trying.

[księżycowy]

I thought Antea was trying to join in too.

[voron]

I thought Antea was trying to join in too.

Yeah, we should ask her why she hasn't submitted any exercises yet!

[księżycowy]

Hey voron, any recommendations for a good paperback Kurmanji-English dictionary?

I'm tempted to buy this textbook too.

[voron]

Hey voron, any recommendations for a good paperback Kurmanji-English dictionary?

Are there many options? The only one I know of is Chyet's dictionary:
https://www.amazon.com/Kurdish-English- ... 0300091524

Chyet is a renowned Kurdologist and he speaks, besides Kurmanji and Sorani, Arabic, Hebrew, Persian and Turkish.

Here is a video of him giving an interview to a Kurdish channel where he speaks Kurmanji:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=-W5s1esiBAM

[księżycowy]

I didn't know if you knew of any other options.

I guess I'll have to hope I can get Chyet's dictionary for a halfway decent price I guess.

[vijayjohn]

I thought Antea was trying to join in too.

Yeah, we should ask her why she hasn't submitted any exercises yet!

Aww, give her a break! She's as much of a beginner as I am and doesn't have Persian to go off of!

[księżycowy]

That was kinda my point in bringing that up. I don't think a B1 textbook would be the best option for her at least.

[Antea]

I copy here what I answered in the Kurmanji study thread:

Please, carry on with your study at your usual pace. I am just a guest here. I am interested in the language, but obviously I am not going to follow you at your rythm, nor will I do the exercises. I am doing a more general approach,as I am a complete beginner, and compulsory methods do not work very well on me

By the way,I found this link that seems interesting for a beginner http://www.learnkurmanji.com

[vijayjohn]

I saw that. I'm curious as to what you mean by "compulsory methods."

[Antea]

I saw that. I'm curious as to what you mean by "compulsory methods."

When you are obliged to do something, like traditional methods of learning, with plenty of homework and things like that.

[księżycowy]

I assign you 4 hours of homework every night!

[Antea]

[voron]

When you are obliged to do something, like traditional methods of learning, with plenty of homework and things like that.

As the creator of the group I am open for absolutely any suggestions and I can change the rules in an instance. As you can see I keep changing them for my own TAC every once in a while.

Just like with the other study groups, one problem with finding the common rules is a different level of its participants. How is it solved in the other study groups? Everyone keeps posting updates about their own progress?

Antea, you may also like this resource for Kurmanji:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=MXr8vX40VZk

[Antea]

Yes, something like that. In the Irish group, people post about etymologies and pronunciation, in the Swedish and Icelandic group I update my progress and sometimes another learner post their own progress, and in the modern Hebrew group I post my progress only for my own sake, because there has been a long time now that I am all alone in there

[vijayjohn]

I could work through one resource with Antea and keep working through Hînker with you, voron.

SHUT UP UNILANG YES I CAN MAKE ANOTHER POST HAVE YOU SEEN HOW MANY I MADE ALREADY COME ON

[voron]

As I got back to Kurmanji thanks to our Kurmanji Study Group,

I'm thinking about complementing it with watching TRT Kurdî. The live stream is here:
http://www.trt.net.tr/anasayfa/canli.aspx?y=tv&k=trt6

The broadcast schedule is here (the times are Turkey times):
http://www.trt.net.tr/televizyon/akis.a ... urdi&gun=0

Among their programs, they have

• news,
• travel shows (Rêwîtiya Rojhilat - the Road to the East, Bigeyr Bivin - Let's travel and see)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FDECYgY4k4
• music programs (Dengbêj - Singer, Deng û Aheng - Sound and Melody)
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3qrI-MMG8Q&t=4023s
• series.

They also have daily news in both Zazaki and Sorani.

Tomorrow I'll try to at least start watching the show Rêwîtiya Rojhilat (starts at 17:25), listen to some of Dengbêj (14:00-16:00), and maybe also watch a bit of Zazaki news (17:00) and Sorani news (18:00), just so that I at least learn to recognize these languages when I hear them.

[voron]

I watched all the programs on TRT Kurdî that I had planned to, with the exception of news in Sorani.

A curious fact I noticed about Zazaki: many sentences in the program I was watching ended with 'kerd'. It's the past tense of the verb 'to make, do' which may be used as an auxiliary verb to construct compound verbs. As Todd notices in his grammar:


I suppose in the standard language the amount of compounds is even higher than in dialects because, when creating the standard people inevitably calque high-register verbs from the superstrate language (in this case Turkish), and since native roots for them do not exist, people create compounds. I was watching the sports news and it was ridiculously funny how nearly a half of the sentences were ending with 'kerd'.

[voron]

Some notes for Kurdish words I keep forgetting:

danîn (datînim) - to put (dial.; the standard prefers xistin)

girtin (digirim) - to take; to close
girîn (digirim) - to cry
gerîn (digerim) - to walk; to search; to phone call

[vijayjohn]

Sorry for doing almost nothing for Kurmandji this week.