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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby eskandar » 2019-03-12, 21:01

voron wrote:As a matter of fact, I'm not sure what to do with my Turkish and Arabic at this point. With Turkish, I know that I should read more academic and specialized stuff to improve my vocabulary, but is there even a point, besides perfectionism, if I won't use it in my daily life? With Arabic, I'm sick of being at a false beginner level and doing beginner level materials, but on the other hand, I find intermediate level stuff too challenging and, as a result, boring, and I don't know how to overcome this stage.

With Turkish, are there other things besides academic/technical vocabulary that you wish you knew more of? Idioms and expressions, perhaps? (It's easy to find lists or books compiling sayings, often even with translation). Or perhaps there are some fields of specialized vocabulary you won't use in daily life but are nevertheless important to know? I'm thinking for example of medical vocabulary - if (maazallah) you had to go to the hospital in Turkey, would you know how to explain everything about a potential problem, and understand what the doctor told you?

As for Arabic, I think pushing through intermediate materials is the best thing at this stage. Maybe you can find something interesting enough that it's worth the boring work of hacking your way through it? Something to read on a topic that fascinates you? Or maybe an Arabic translation of a work you've already read, understood, and enjoyed in another language?
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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2019-03-12, 22:17

Thank you for advice, Eskandar!

eskandar wrote:With Turkish, are there other things besides academic/technical vocabulary that you wish you knew more of?

I want to know more about politics, history and religion.

You know, maybe I should go to a bookstore and buy myself a nice illustrated book on Ottoman history. I loved this kind of books as a child:
https://www.nobelkitap.com/cocuklar-ve- ... 11148.html

(I didn't like the history school books that I found in my new house. They are too shallow with respect to the range of covered topics and details).

Or maybe an Arabic translation of a work you've already read, understood, and enjoyed in another language?

Hmm perhaps I can read "The Little Prince". It was the first book I read in Serbian, and I read it in Turkish as well. I need to buy a paper copy though. I am tired of reading off the screen.

EDIT: I just checked the selection of Arabic readers on online Turkish bookstores, and wow, they have a lot of nice things like graded bilinguial readers. I should definitely make use of them.
https://www.hepsiburada.com/kolay-arapc ... .kitap.pla
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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby eskandar » 2019-03-13, 1:26

My pleasure! I'm jealous of your ability to read Turkish because there are so many things I'd love to read in the language. Every time I've visited Istanbul a significant portion of my trip seems to involve strolling through bookstores gazing at all the fascinating titles.

One of the first long texts I tried to read was a similar text to the Arabic reader you linked. (Mine was انبياء الله by احمد بهجت). Interestingly enough, the author of your text was an Indian who studied in Lucknow, the same city where I studied Urdu!
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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2019-03-13, 18:14

eskandar wrote:One of the first long texts I tried to read was a similar text to the Arabic reader you linked. (Mine was انبياء الله by احمد بهجت). Interestingly enough, the author of your text was an Indian who studied in Lucknow, the same city where I studied Urdu!

This page has photos of some inner pages of the reader. I am pretty certain I want to buy it:
https://arapcakitapevi.com/kitap/kasasu ... rton-kapak

What do you think about these books?
https://arapcakitapevi.com/kitap/hikaye ... a-kitaplar
https://arapcakitapevi.com/kitap/5-6-7- ... greniyorum

There is a youtube video at each link introducing the books. It's a set of several small illustrated books, with separate vocabulary sheets and downloadable audios. Look nice! And they are quite cheap too.
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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby Yasna » 2019-03-13, 19:22

I would love to read the following types of books in Turkish, by a Turkish author:

A history of the Black Sea
A history of Anatolia
A history of the Ottoman Empire
A history of the Turks
A history of the Turkic languages
An analysis of Turkey's geopolitical situation

Do these books exist? I'm thinking of popular/semi-academic books around 300 to 1000 pages, not high school textbooks or illustrated books.
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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2019-03-13, 22:13

Halil İnalcık is considered to be one of the most authoritative researchers of the Ottoman Empire.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halil_%25 ... 25C4%25B1k

His book Osmanlı İmparatorluğu Klasik Çağ (The Classical Period of the Ottoman Empire) is the first one on this list of must-read books about the Ottoman Empire:
http://www.leblebitozu.com/osmanli-tari ... -10-kitap/
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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby eskandar » 2019-03-13, 23:20

voron wrote:What do you think about these books?

Looks like a good way to practice two languages at once! That is, if you don't get bored. You might also see if you can find graphic novels in Arabic. They can be more interesting, because they're aimed at adults, while still easier to read because the text is broken up into short chunks and illustrated. I read a bunch of them when I was studying French, since I was bored with pedagogical materials but not advanced enough to read proper literature.
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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2019-03-15, 8:31

I ordered a bunch of Arabic books yesterday. :)

I am also thinking about ordering the Kurdish textbook "Hînker" that Vijay and I are going through together. It's less then $4 and having it in paper may motivate me to go through it faster. I am kind of starting a new phase where I will try to spend less time at the computer.
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Re: TAC - voron (Turkish, Kurdish, Arabic)

Postby voron » 2019-03-20, 13:36

My Arabic books arrived, yay! I want to write a short review for one of them.

Qasas an-Nabiyyeen by Abul-Hasan an-Nadwi

As it turns out, this is a really famous book.
You can find it on Amazon: https://www.amazon.com/Qasas-Nabiyyeen- ... 9695832059
on Scribd, https://www.scribd.com/document/4737956 ... bic-Part-1
and there is a deck for it on Memrise: https://www.memrise.com/course/101536/q ... no-typing/

It's a retelling of those parts of the Quran which describe the lives of prophets, with the progressive difficulty of the language. I like how it abundantly includes real quotes from the Quran, even in the easiest stories -- and the difficulty of quotes progresses as well. My copy is bilingual, in Arabic and Turkish.

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