Saim's log 2019

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Saim's log 2019

Postby Saim » 2019-11-08, 10:15

Starting a new log because I'm starting a new phase in life and the old one's gotten a bit long.

Serbian

I will be living in Novi Sad for the time being, so this is a good opportunity to push my Serbian to a more near-native level.

In my experience listening has more of an effect on active vocabulary and fluent expression, whereas reading has more of a direct effect on overall breadth of vocabulary and passive vocabulary. For this reason I will try and do a fair bit of both every day, although if I get hooked on a particular series or book I'll not worry if listening time is eating up reading time or vice versa.

I've also gotten quite good at pitch accent perception but I'll still have to listen a lot for it to fully sink in and for me to assign phonemic pitch to each word.

I have made a lot of sentence cards for Serbian over the past couple of months, but I think I am going to stop now since I spend enough hours reading and listening for it to not really be necessary. Better for me to spend that time making cards for Russian or Urdu, or just listening or reading more Serbian.

Summary: lots of listening, reading (speaking and writing will likely take care of themselves to a large extent, not something I need to plan so much)

Hungarian, French

These are two languages I already understand fairly well so I think it could be time to start doing more output so that I'm more readily able to use them actively and jump straight into speaking them. I might try and do some French classes over Skype or try and write short texts, although I'm not really sure based on what. I think I won't have to do as much for Hungarian

Summary: Some speaking, some writing, a bit of flaschards/listening/reading

Russian

I'd like to push this language closer to where my French and Hungarian are, i.e. to a higher level of aural comprehension. For now I'm going to mostly focus on reading and listening and making flashcards, not bothering to write or speak much.

Summary: Some reading, some listening, lots of flaschards

Urdu

Similar goals to Russian, although this will take much longer due to the sheer amount of vocabulary involved. I have three Urdu textbooks for children with short stories (Oxford's "Hamari Urdu" series), one novel, and two non-fiction books that I will slowly work through. I've learned to enjoy studying Urdu for its own sake and not worry so much about how good my production is, my priority should be to increase my comprehension and reading fluency.

Summary: Some reading, some listening, lots of flaschards

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Other than all that, I've been jumping around between Mandarin, Arabic, Basque and Turkish a lot but I think I might slow down some of the other ones to push Turkish forward a bit. I'd like to spend some more time watching Turkish series although I'm not sure how to make time for it given the amount of Serbian I want to listen to. Maybe I can watch a season of something in Turkish or Russian for every two seasons of a Serbian series.

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Re: Saim's log 2019

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-11-08, 19:55

Have you considered posting on forums (here, or Reddit, for example) for the purpose of language practice?

Also maybe we can revive our Turkish study group! :o

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Re: Saim's log 2019

Postby Saim » 2019-11-09, 8:20

vijayjohn wrote:Have you considered posting on forums (here, or Reddit, for example) for the purpose of language practice?


Post what though? :P

Also maybe we can revive our Turkish study group! :o


Sure, using what materials? Voron recommended this TV show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W31lc7qd_d8

He told me it got better reviews than Hakan: Muhafız and since it's on YouTube rather than Netflix we could potentially watch it together if you have time. The only thing is that the episodes are crazy long, although I guess we can break them down into smaller chunks of twenty or thirty minutes.

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Re: Saim's log 2019

Postby Saim » 2019-11-10, 11:33

Mandarin

I'm going to take a break from Yabla for a while. I think the fact that I can conceivably look up every word in the subtitles makes it too tempting to do so, and that's not really the most efficient way to go about it, this will be more useful when I'm more intermediate. I need to focus on low-hanging fruit if I want to make any serious progress with the limited amount of time I'm willing to put into this, and whatever I can deduce from hard-coded subtitles and Google Translate is probably going to be common enough that it'll be worth studying.

I've decided to start watching the animated series 择天记 with hard-coded subtitles in both English and Chinese. To supplement this I will also look up example sentences in LINE. I've been using the Zhongwen Chinese Popup Dictionary to look up any new words in these sentences (thank god this exists).

I'm going to experiment with a new kind of flashcard to make it easier to cover more ground without burning out.

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The first sentence is from 择天记, the rest are from LINE. If I can't figure out the exact sentence, I will only put examples from LINE. I will not be testing myself on these sentences, but I will make sure to read all of them (including the characters, pinyin and translation) during each review. I've also started adding pinyin to the front side of cards, I think I've gotten to the point where I know enough characters that I don't get lazy when I see characters and pinyin side-by-side so testing myself on character > pronunciation > meaning in a single set of cards is probably overkill.

I'm not going to add any audio to these cards. Instead I'll record short sections of 择天记 (i.e. audio from the scenes that I made my flashcards out of) and listen to them on repeat. I'll aim to listen to one of these 1-2 minute recording every day at least once. I will move onto a new recording every time I make another batch of flashcards.

I think 择天记 is a bit closer to my level than 爱情公寓. 爱情公寓's episodes are too long, and it has too much humour, yelling and mumbly/dialectal speech, and a lot of the dialogue is muffled out by the laugh track. 择天记's dialogue is much clearer and most of it is fairly simple. There's also a lot of stuff going on in between dialogue scenes so it's harder to get bored even without the English subtitles, whereas 爱情公寓 mostly relies on its dialogue to further the plot. I've also always loved anime and although 择天记 doesn't have the highest quality animation in history I still find it very watchable. It's much easier for me to rewatch episodes or watch several of them in a row.

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Re: Saim's log 2019

Postby vijayjohn » 2019-11-10, 19:42

I finally remembered the name of that Chinese series my Sichuanese friend recommended to me: 大宅门.
Saim wrote:
vijayjohn wrote:Have you considered posting on forums (here, or Reddit, for example) for the purpose of language practice?


Post what though? :P

Depends on the forum. Here, I generally just look at posts I didn't see before (or even look up old posts sometimes) and see whether there are things I can respond to. For example, I find that the word-association game and especially games like the translation game and TPAM are pretty good practice. (You probably know by now that I also usually post in my personal thread to keep track of errors and quiz myself over vocab, but that's just me, I guess :D).

On Reddit, generally, what I do is to just go to the sub for learning the appropriate language and write a post in that language inviting everybody to talk about whatever in said language. Often, people say, "Suggest a topic to talk about!" (in which case I personally would probably just ask generic questions like "how are you? Where are you from?" etc. I think there has been at least one occasion where someone else suggested a topic first), but honestly, I find that even if you don't, starting a topic like this is enough to generate a decent amount of discussion.
Sure, using what materials? Voron recommended this TV show:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W31lc7qd_d8

He told me it got better reviews than Hakan: Muhafız and since it's on YouTube rather than Netflix we could potentially watch it together if you have time. The only thing is that the episodes are crazy long, although I guess we can break them down into smaller chunks of twenty or thirty minutes.

We could always try doing that and seeing how it goes. :)

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Re: Saim's log 2019

Postby Saim » 2019-11-14, 13:12

Don't want to bother adding this to any flashcard, so I'll just put it here:

چوڑا - mud (~کیچڑ، گُھلی ہوی مٹی); soaked, wet (~بھِیگا)
چَوڑا - broad, wide (~وسیع، کُشادہ)
چُوڑا - sweeper, cleaner
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Re: Saim's log 2019

Postby Saim » 2019-11-14, 13:16

vijayjohn wrote:I finally remembered the name of that Chinese series my Sichuanese friend recommended to me: 大宅门.


Thanks! I think I'll stick to 动画 for the time being but I'll add this to my catalogue for when I feel ready to take on historical dramas. :)

vijayjohn wrote:Depends on the forum. Here, I generally just look at posts I didn't see before (or even look up old posts sometimes) and see whether there are things I can respond to. For example, I find that the word-association game and especially games like the translation game and TPAM are pretty good practice. (You probably know by now that I also usually post in my personal thread to keep track of errors and quiz myself over vocab, but that's just me, I guess :D).

On Reddit, generally, what I do is to just go to the sub for learning the appropriate language and write a post in that language inviting everybody to talk about whatever in said language. Often, people say, "Suggest a topic to talk about!" (in which case I personally would probably just ask generic questions like "how are you? Where are you from?" etc. I think there has been at least one occasion where someone else suggested a topic first), but honestly, I find that even if you don't, starting a topic like this is enough to generate a decent amount of discussion.


Not bad ideas, I'll see when I have energy for it.

We could always try doing that and seeing how it goes. :)


OK, sounds good! :)

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Re: Saim's log 2019

Postby Saim » 2019-11-15, 21:13

Saim wrote:I'm going to experiment with a new kind of flashcard to make it easier to cover more ground without burning out.

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Not bad, but I think single-sentence cards are more efficient, no use putting a bunch of information I won’t read on cards.

I think the reason my Chinese cards were frustrating before was the fact that I had the pinyin on the back rather than the front, which broke my rule against practicing active recall in Anki. From now on I will have the pinyin on the front and just colour in any new characters and their pinyin transcription with the same colour and also add text to speech audio for the examples from LINE. This will also make it easier to review cards with more than one word/character.

I might also try to colour in new words rather than bolding them for other languages, it seems to stick more.


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